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03-10-2011 , 06:13 AM

fkucmicro

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Villain is a straightforward thinking player, he likes to c/r a lot

Poker Stars €10.00+€0.45 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1224467
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BB: t1265 31.62 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1735 43.38 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BTN/SB with K

Hero raises to t80, BB calls t40

Flop: (t160) 8

(2 players)
BB bets t80, Hero raises to t280, BB raises to t600, Hero?

easy shove?

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03-10-2011 , 06:20 AM

SNGdownonme

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 232

If u raise flop to 280 u often want to get it in. If hes really str. forward u might consider min raising to 160. I sometimes just call the 80, when i have big reads on someone.
There r alot of opp. at 10$'s who have a range after the 600 raise that crush u, so u could easily fold.
There r also a few where u r very happy to get it in.
At these stakes a 600 raise is usually a stronger hand then a shove.
At higher stakes vs solid reg. u gotta get it in for value and balance, if u raise, id call quite often though.
All in all u got urself in a spot thats very gross so great for discussion!

Last edited by SNGdownonme; 03-10-2011 at 06:29 AM.

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03-10-2011 , 06:59 AM

vulcain999

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villains represents 2 pairs, top pair with a flush draw, a set, trips and TT, JJ QQ and AA
and almost never a bluff there ...

he ll have 2 pairs most of the time.
shoving u can hit another pair which kills his two pairs, u can have a back door flush K high and kill all the TT, JJ QQ etc ... but this won't happen tons of time.

the fact the he reraise and doesn't shove means strenght, so a set is very very likely.

with ur stack size I think a fold is best ... while shovin isn't too bad.

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03-10-2011 , 07:09 AM

SNGdownonme

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Originally Posted by vulcain999

villains represents 2 pairs, top pair with a flush draw, a set, trips and TT, JJ QQ and AA
and almost never a bluff there ...

He doesnt rep TT+ or trips(impossible lol) but u forgot to include the obv. JT T6 and 56 for a straight.

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03-10-2011 , 07:15 AM

alexDJI

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I find a fold here, possibly only flat flop to see what the turn brings. I'm pretty sure that once he bets this flop (instead of c/r), his plan is to 3bet and try to get all the monies in.

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03-10-2011 , 07:17 AM

vulcain999

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no i didn't forget those ( i called it a set)

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03-10-2011 , 07:17 AM

alexDJI

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also you need to include btn opening, cbet, donkbet and c/r frequencies (for both players) and other useful infos if you want to get better advice.

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03-10-2011 , 07:18 AM

vulcain999

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Originally Posted by SNGdownonme

He doesnt rep TT+ or trips(impossible lol) but u forgot to include the obv. JT T6 and 56 for a straight.

no i didn't forget those ( i called it a set)

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03-10-2011 , 07:32 AM

MechanicalBoy

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I think flatting flop and revaluate is better than r/c

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03-10-2011 , 07:32 AM

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t1lt

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His raise to 600 is committing, and he obv has something better than toppair here.
It's hard to fold tho, in theory you just know you're beat

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03-10-2011 , 07:55 AM

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vulcain999

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Originally Posted by t1lt

His raise to 600 is committing, and he obv has something better than toppair here.
It's hard to fold tho, in theory you just know you're beat

simple and clear...

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03-10-2011 , 10:22 AM

#12

Air-Bear

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I'm getting it all in. Villain can have a bunch of TP or pair + straightdraw hands that we have good equity against.

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03-10-2011 , 11:15 AM

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chadders0

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Originally Posted by Air-Bear

I'm getting it all in. Villain can have a bunch of TP or pair + straightdraw hands that we have good equity against.

+1, though i find a flat on the flop sometimes because your equity against his callin range wont be much higher than 50% and there will be a lot of turn cards that are difficult to play optimally.

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03-10-2011 , 11:52 AM

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jackoneill

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Originally Posted by MechanicalBoy

I think flatting flop and revaluate is better than r/c

I'd still want to raise his lead since I don't want to allow him to cheaply see a turn with his draw by leading into us.

However, I wouldn't make it quite that big, just something around 220 and then fold if he comes over the top.

Not so sure about the $10, but that's a board where we're usually not c-betting our air hands quite that often since we have to expect go get check/raised here - so leading with top pair is somewhat standard.

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03-10-2011 , 12:31 PM

#15

Barbra Streisand

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Easy fold, not close

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03-10-2011 , 01:01 PM

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alexDJI

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Just to reinforce my point of flatting flop: Villain is a straightforward (thinking) player who likes to c/r a lot. OP gave no infos about his cbet or btn opening frequencies but we can assume that villain expects him to check back this flop and doesn't want to have an action killing card coming on the turn which would lead to him "losing" value. Therefore he donks, most likely with the plan of 3betting you. Going from there, you can assume that once you raise, your KK is in bad shape. Your equity is going to suck, whereas if you flat flop, you can see a turn and expect villain to barrell at a high frequency on most cards, and evaluate from there.

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03-10-2011 , 01:11 PM

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chadders0

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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand

Easy fold, not close

come to think of it i agree with this because i expect to see pair+sd 3bet ship as opposed to mini 3bet.

...yet to see a strategy post by babs i dont agree with.

Last edited by chadders0; 03-10-2011 at 01:13 PM. Reason: had to clarify strategy posts, because he can be offesnive as **** sometimes.

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