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09-07-2014 , 06:44 PM

Sorin

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Villian folds to cbet 0 on a small sample..
what do you do here?

Poker Stars, $6.71 Buy-in (25/50 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #30320701

Hero (SB): 1,542 (30.8 bb)
BB: 1,458 (29.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T

Hero raises to 100, BB calls 50

Flop: (200) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 100, BB calls 100

Turn: (400) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (400) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 250, BB raises to 1,258 and is all-in

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09-07-2014 , 06:46 PM

I_LI_Jl

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Snap fold. There is a difference floating a lot and randomly jamming on a super dry board where we could easily have Ax

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09-07-2014 , 07:13 PM

daviid

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smaller otf, bet turn, b/f river.

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09-07-2014 , 07:46 PM

restorativejustice

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Originally Posted by daviid

smaller otf, bet turn, b/f river.

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09-08-2014 , 01:45 AM

xkcd

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As played you should definitely bet turn. Against stationny villain you can also consider option of checking back (also given bdfd) flop since he will flat with K and Q high often, and you re not gonna be able barreling him off from turn very often given flop texture...

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09-10-2014 , 08:53 AM

watergun7

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Bet turn. As played it doesn't matter a great deal if u call or fold actually.

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09-10-2014 , 10:25 PM

Quimp

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I'm calling and rather happy about it.

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09-10-2014 , 11:05 PM

this not a party

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We are in the upper portion of our range and we are under represented. But just based on the tendency that most villains at 7s are not cr bluffing rivers nearly often enough. I would fold We need to be right here about 40% of the time. I would need a read that a villain was capable of bluffing here at the $7s.

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09-10-2014 , 11:08 PM

this not a party

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Originally Posted by watergun7

Bet turn. As played it doesn't matter a great deal if u call or fold actually.

Are you saying we are close to 0 ev here and we are in different to calling or folding. If so can you explain why?

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09-11-2014 , 09:37 AM

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Sorin

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Originally Posted by watergun7

Bet turn. As played it doesn't matter a great deal if u call or fold actually.

I don't understand why it doesn't matter if I call or fold as played?

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09-11-2014 , 09:43 AM

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restorativejustice

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The hand was "lost" when you did not bet that turn.

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09-11-2014 , 12:52 PM

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watergun7

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I mean that it's a spot that doesn't come up often so whatever you do won't affect your winrate at all. We can't fold this in terms of gto (imo), but folding it doesnt matter much nor does calling. We really should be betting turn though and this will cost you more EV in the long run than your river decision.

It's likely that against any specific villain calling river or folding river on it's own are very clear decisions in terms of EV, but given that we don't enough about villain do whatever.

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09-11-2014 , 10:33 PM

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waxies_dargle

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agree betting turn is a bit better than checking but it really isnt that bad or "lost" v someone that is floating so wide as he will fair chunk of float/bluff river when checked to stuff that we fold out on a rainbow turn

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b/f river

too loose to betting river imo

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