Ok, so it's not that intriguing. I apologise sincerely for the mis-direction, but I had to get your attention somehow.

This is the first hand I have posted so please forgive any faux pas I may have committed...

A couple of hands in, no reads. Tried something a tad different here, not sure if it really was a good idea. Thoughts appreciated on all aspects of the hand.

Many thanks to all contributors in advance.

PokerStars - $3.32+$0.18|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 68 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BB): 82 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 A

SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 8 Q A
Hero checks, SB bets 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Turn: (22 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 15 BB, SB calls 15 BB

River: (52 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 12.5 BB, SB raises to 42 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 77 BB

Don't checkraise flop.

Why he shouldnt protect his top pair in a wet board?

Hand too weak to get value from c/r? What do you do on river as played?

I don't mind too much the raise the flop but if you get too much resistance you're usually way behind.

Turn : ok.
River : well. I think I wouldn't bet. All the draws got there. KQ JT, Flush draw. They all could have call flop turn. So I would check/fold if vilain bet 20bb or more. That King is the worst card ever. You can't value your Ax. You could even be against AQ AK 88 AJ AT so even if the river was like a 4 I would just check, your hand isn't strong enough even for 3,5$ level. Unless you were playing for the 3,5$ satellite for the Sunday Duel MTT. Those guys ****ing sucks.

River analysis sounds sensible. I was thinking after the event check/fold depending on bet size was probably the way forward.

Thanks for the comments, food for though.

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Thing is when you checkraise flop with this hand, what is the ideal situation? Imo when you checkraise a hand this weak this deep (68bb) without dynamic, I would personally feel most comfortable when villain folds, and this isn't what I want when I checkraise for value.

If he reraises flop you probably have to gii, but I'm not sure if it's good to even do that.

His continuing range vs your checkraise also does very well on future streets. Sure- you might maximize value vs Qx or weaker Ax (but you miss value vs complete misses that villain would have hit turn/river with or bluff with). Also think about his range here- he has all sets, 2ps, better Ax. Realistically are you actually getting value on the flop, if your opponent doesn't play back much with pure air?

if your opp is a $3.50 regular, he's probably apt at picking up bet-sizing tells. therefore, i like the bet on the river to induce a shove from 2nd/3rd pair hand turned into a bluff.

if your opp is playing for fun, i'd fold to river raise.

My thinking at the time was that based on my experience the average opponent at this level generally does not fold much to a flop check-raise. Therefore I can c/r for value here, regardless of opponents tendancy to play back. I did not really think about implications on how hand would progress through the turn & river. I'm not sure really, I think in isolation the flop play is ok for value at this level, but then turn and river bets become thinner and maybe bad due to strength we've already exhibited.




Interesting, so you advise bet/call on river as best play against a good player here? I would have assumed even decent players at this level would not turn made hands into bluffs. Would be interested to know if yiu think flop/turn was ok or not.

Thanks for the feedback guys

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Tons of bad advice itt.

Cbet flop and jam turn.

It's a 3 dollar husng. You can even check/jam or open-jam flop and it will be profitable. You will get called ALL DAY LONG with flush draws, worse aces and the occasional qx.

I assume you read hh wrong. OP is oop and didn't 3bet pre, and how can you shove turn when we are 68bb deep? are you advising overbetting turn?

I read nothing incorrectly.

This is a 3 dollar game in a turbo format, no?

If you don't see this as a golden opportunity, and you aren't sure that you are getting called off here by qx and flush draws and the occasional ax, then you aren't playing turbos correctly.

Imo.

he's reffering to you saying that we should cbet, we didn't raise pre how can we cbet?

Right. I just hate using "donk." Pet peeve of mine.

"lead"

prob not optimal to be condescending when you have no idea what a flop continuation bet means.

you can't just randomly assign an already active poker term to a situation completely contextually wrong for that said term. imagine if everyone had their own nonsensical fury toward certain terms, and we all started switching them at a moment's notice. rivers would actually be flops, check/raises would mean limpdonks, 3bet shove would mean call open shove % at 12-18bb. etc. can you comprehend how chaotic this world would be? you are basically advocating for the deterioration of this forum, and i want you banned.

so you're advising three options:

1)donk flop jam turn
2)check/jam flop
3)open-jam flop

using chip counts based on op's hh, hero has 1640 chips and villain has 1360 chips. going to the flop, the pot is 80.

your option 1) donk 60 (villain calls, pot now 200) shove turn for eff 1260. shove 1260 on the turn into a 200 pot.

your option 2) check flop, opp cbets 60 and you ship eff 1260 over that into a pot of 140

your option 3) the pot is 80 chips. you hit top pair. donk shove 1320 chips into 80 chip pot.

considering op has taken the effort to find this forum and post this hand with solid detail, i'm fairly certain he's looking to improve and create solid fundamentals/habits for higher stakes in the future. making these asinine plays at 3 dollar husngs will probably net him an extra 8 cents per game, which is probably less important than developing a strategy to win higher.

i think this is actually a pretty interesting hand op, nice thread.

I can only repeat what I said earlier. The fundamentals of the turbo structure for a newbie should not be a slow, nitty game to begin with. Not unless you want to be in the 50/100 blind level all of the time and wind up a breakeven player. That doesn't help op at all.

If you are playing this structure the way it should be played, you will always be happy to gii here somehow. Your Opp will think he finally has you with his A-4. Or he is hoping to suck out on you because he's tilted. Op said that his opp was tilted.

I used to consistently get called down by bottom pair at these stakes for three streets, stacks in on the river, and if you aren't getting called down the same way at these stakes and at this structure against these players, you are doing it wrong.

If you want to ban me because I called a lead donk a cbet, well, the nitty-ness factor is off the charts here. That's fine. But not in turbos. Not at the 3's. There is a place and time for everything, though.

Let Doggg plays like he wants. You don't teach somebody that doesn't want to learn stuff from others. Btw OP never said that his opponent was tilted. It was the 2nd hand. If someone can profile an opponent right at the first hand he's mentally crazy and wrong.