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Interesting hand in 3bet pot [15HT] Interesting hand in 3bet pot [15HT]

03-06-2014 , 08:29 AM
No particular reads on villain besides he is 4stars on PS and seems competent
I decide to 3bet nai J4o (since too weak to flat) with the intention of c-betting scary boards.
I feel like the board hits pretty well Villain 3b calling range and by c-betting here I will be flatted very wide, so I decide to check with intention of folding to aggression.

1) The options here are either to c-bet/get it in on the turn and check/fold flop. Which one do you prefer and why?

2) Once we have opted for checking, any thoughts on how do we play turn and river?

Any thoughts concerning Villain's range on the river are appreciated.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $14.69 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #24433651

Hero (BB): 410 (20.5 bb)
SB: 590 (29.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J 4
SB raises to 40, Hero raises to 90, SB calls 50

Flop: (180) 2 9 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (180) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 120, Hero calls 120

River: (420) K (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 200


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03-06-2014 , 08:46 AM
1) If our only read is that we're facing a reg, and we don't have any reason to think that villain DOESN'T think we're a fish, then I think we should just cbet this flop and jam any turn, on the assumption that villain will float flop wide then probably herofold everything except 9x or better on the turn. (because I don't really think fish bluff using that line)

2) As played I think fold turn and fold river because our hand looks like it has weak SDV (which is exactly what it is) so villain can choose to bluff or valuebet very accurately - but villain didn't jam the river, which I guess is how villain would bluff here. But also the flop DOES smack his range, so he doesn't really need to bluff that often. Also, OTT there's very few good river cards for us, and it's relatively likely we'll be facing aggression on most rivers. And it's not like we're being given a good price, either
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03-06-2014 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ferris.shrugged
1) If our only read is that we're facing a reg, and we don't have any reason to think that villain DOESN'T think we're a fish, then I think we should just cbet this flop and jam any turn, on the assumption that villain will float flop wide then probably herofold everything except 9x or better on the turn. (because I don't really think fish bluff using that line)

2) As played I think fold turn and fold river because our hand looks like it has weak SDV (which is exactly what it is) so villain can choose to bluff or valuebet very accurately - but villain didn't jam the river, which I guess is how villain would bluff here. But also the flop DOES smack his range, so he doesn't really need to bluff that often. Also, OTT there's very few good river cards for us, and it's relatively likely we'll be facing aggression on most rivers. And it's not like we're being given a good price, either

Thanks for your insights. On 2) actually Villain puts me all-in. So it is a jam.
Also, don't you think most value hands bet the flop on such a wet board?
Turn bet makes no sense to me: high cards should try to check it down towards cheap showdown. Marginal pairs as well. Only bet for value I see is 35 which probably folds pre. River is also standard card for keep bluffing. I don't see him betting any K on the turn. Maybe K6, which should not bet this big. AA,KK ? These should bet flop. I see only bluffs which miss the river Villain is betting like this.
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03-06-2014 , 09:47 AM
i wouldnt 3bet this hand, and i would cbet this hand
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03-06-2014 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by yay
i wouldnt 3bet this hand, and i would cbet this hand
So you profitably flat J4o 20bb deep?
Besides, I would like opinions on 2) please.
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03-06-2014 , 10:41 AM
i think x/c turn + river is fine
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03-06-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xkcd
So you profitably flat J4o 20bb deep?
Besides, I would like opinions on 2) please.
I'd rather 3bet if sooted and I'd fold this pre
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03-06-2014 , 12:33 PM
im more likely to flat this than fold thats for sure - J4s istn even close to a hand i would have in a polar 3betting range, you must played like wayyyy too tight oop if you think it is.
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03-06-2014 , 03:40 PM
yay, you got me confused, are we talking about J4s when we consider flatting? because i don't think flatting J4o is profitable unless villain is very bad postflop.
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03-06-2014 , 04:02 PM
pretty sure yay is talking about flatting J4o.
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03-06-2014 , 04:03 PM
OK not so sure any more.
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03-06-2014 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by yay
im more likely to flat this than fold thats for sure - J4s istn even close to a hand i would have in a polar 3betting range, you must played like wayyyy too tight oop if you think it is.
Yes J4s i would flat pre readless. J3s im prob 3betting. What i meant was i like keeping the trash part of my 3bet range suited readless. And flatting J4o pre readless seems kinda too loose?

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03-06-2014 , 05:46 PM
yay was first quoting xkcd and then quoting Garlic Yum after the hyphen. Have some intuitive reading comprehension geez... (?)
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03-06-2014 , 06:14 PM
thank you^
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