I'lll try to add my notes next time i store conflictive hands to further review.. it's been a month since this match.. but in general what's the best line here?

Vs a Tight Player,

Vs a Loose player.




No Limit Holdem Tournament
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$10.00+$0.50

Stacks:
Hero (1,240)
BB (1,760)

Blinds: 10/20

Pre-Flop: (30, 2 players) Hero is SB A 3
Hero raises to 60, BB calls 40

Flop: 3 K J (120, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: A (120, 2 players)
BB bets 100, Hero raises to 300, BB calls 200

River: 7 (720, 2 players)
BB bets 400, Hero ??


Just call here?

readless in the 10's I would pretty much always call there, . Against a very passive opponent I could find a fold, that is if he only shows this kind of aggression with really good hands. Against a good LAG villain the situation is a lot tougher.

I would probably say that in general call is better than a fold which is better than a shove (I can't do the arrows thing on this keyboard )

tight player calling, loose player, probably still just calling.

I do bet the flop a lot in situations like this because I think it can be a better use of SD value to turn it into a 5out semibluff. Reason being, you can still rep all the top pairs, sets, two pairs, draws that were on the flop, whereas if you checkback, you're not getting to showdown often enough. (and can't rep any of those hands later)

very much this, good reply

Hmm it smells like a weak missed flush bluff attempt or block bet with a lot of Kx Ax and even Jx hands to me. I would probably elect to minraise and reluctantly call shove although I think villain 3bet shove would be infrequent. I think a minraise gets a crying call with precisely the block bet hands you have beat and once in a while you will get shoved by a lot worse two pair (in fact, the only one that makes sense with this line that beats you is A7). Sometimes you will lose but imo you'll gain a lot more equity over time with this line since you're vastly ahead of his calling range for only 400 more chips.

If it's a random losing $10 opponent and given how weaker players tend to block bet their bluff catching hands way too much (I consider Ax as bluff catching as well), a raise or call makes sense. I also think it would be quite rare the villain has a str8. I'm never folding here.

I can imagine a weak player thinking:

Preflop: I'll call with my K9
Flop: Nice top pair, I'll check to him & hope to checkraise
Turn: Damn the ace came, I'm scared and confused, I do have a pair of Kings, I'll bet 100...crap he raised to 300, maybe he's trying to rep an ace here
River: I'm not going to let him bluff me with some huge 800-allin bet, I'll bet 400 with my pair of Kings

cbet flop for sure
your reasoning makes no sense though

im shoving river vs most fish

It made sense to me

Could you explain to us the flaw you see in his logic?

cbetting this flop is to protect equity and to just pick up the pot
it has nothing to do with repping big hands, villain isn't folding if he hit something on this board

this

yup me too. i'd probably call with stuff like K3/J3 though (well, i guess we don't have that much behind, so maybe not a big deal either way).

Thank you guys


I also think that vs a losing player i'm shoving 80% of the time here, depending on table dynamics and notes...

maybe he's not folding if he hit on this street. but it's more important to think about future streets. thinking about what cards villain can continue on and what cards improve our range relative to his. I know, we can talk about "what hands we're getting value from and what hands we're bluffing out", but it can be a little shortsighted at times. Sometimes I think maintaining max flexibility to react to what happens later in the hand is what counts. Whether that can become the primary reason for betting I'm not sure. The thing is, if we always bet according to "what hands we can fold out and what hands we can get value from" the play of our own range remains pretty static. We are only playing one part of our range. I think it's important to consider how we'd play all the hands in our range because maybe playing the bottom of our range isn't going to be good enough in a spot regardless of if we play it correctly given board texture. We have to sort of "claim the higher part of our perceived range"

it's a $10
even considering using the word "our perceived range" and similar is funny

:P yeah yeah i know.

so simple yet so true

im getting it in here on the river.