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Originally Posted by thejackel69
I'll try and explain. (Though i could be wrong myself so appologies if I am).
POsting your blind is an unprofitable bet! Thats why its forced.
Once it's in the pot it is no longer yours and is why you dont get it back when you fold.
therefore, when you make calculations regarding a play, such as a 3bet, you dont consider it as a loss. Becasue you have already lost it to the unprofitable bet that is the blind post.
So once its in the pot you have to make profitable plays to win it back. this means that you consider it in the $$won but not in the $lost.
Hope this makes sense (and is corrct)
Also, great posts from both OP and Pimo's explinations. Will begin to read again now im at the end to try to fully undertsand! ty
this is correct.
bluemage, before you call me out and say what im doing is wrong, this is a known formula, plz refer to posts from any great player and you'll prolly see very similar ones, you have no control over your BB, it's in the pot, therefore if your the BB and the button limps and you raise to 3x, you are RISKING 2BB to win 2 BB, NOTTTTTT risking 3 BB to win 1 BB. Please go read some posts from JMan or any other amazing 2p2 poster and you'll find calculations very similar to these.
Fabrizio, I don't want to say your wrong, cause you seem like you've put a solid amount of thought / research into i t, and im not really sure what stakes you play, vs a bad player, calling a hand w/ SD value like A6o / K2s / etc. OOP is not going to be a big mistake, because they will almost ALWAYS shut down and you will get to SD value a large % of the time after a cbet, which isnt even 100% of the time, HOWEVER, vs a good player, I think playing hands like this <25bb OOP is going to get you in ALOT of trouble, because, as I said, they do NOT play post, and player will be firing solid, accurate barrels, especially if you are calling fairly wide (as this seems to advocate) and therefore being forced to float alot of flops. They will also start vbetting SUPER light (as they should) and I think you'll end up being much more -EV than you would expect in these situations. Obv if you are playing a mediocre player who you happen to be a level above, you can overcome this by great OOP play in these pots, but vs a player of equal or similar skill, you will never be able to overcome that edge