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Old 02-08-2018, 03:28 PM   #1
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husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    Poker Stars, $3.32 Buy-in (40/80 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
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    BB: 1,636 (20.5 bb)
    Hero (SB): 1,364 (17.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J 9
    Hero completes, BB raises to 240, Hero calls 160

    Flop: (480) 5 5 3 (2 players)
    BB bets 480, Hero raises to 1,124 and is all-in


    After 58 hands:
    he mr 83% of hands which is 100% of what he plyes IP
    OOP calls or 3bets more less 50/50 of my mr
    either flat calls or 4b shoves my 3bets, when I started limping he raised 100% of my limps
    cbet 70%

    other reads:
    3b K6s 40-110 donk 1/2 with GS and c my rr x Turn donmk 1/2 Riv with completed straight

    78o xb na K59r and bet 1/2 on K and pot on 4 with air

    so for me it looks like he vb 1/2 pot and bluffs pot + he is extreemly agressive hence my push with hand I think hits a lot

    Sorry for my notes. Still not sure how to do them right
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    Old 02-08-2018, 03:43 PM   #2
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    Re: husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    But is he ever folding? Seems like he's committed so much he's almost never folding so I'm not sure you have great equity here
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    Old 02-08-2018, 04:10 PM   #3
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    Re: husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    That i am not sure. Dont think he is folding any pair or GS.
    I also seen 2 other hands when he was vb 1/2 pot for 3 streets with TPTK on dry board and another one when he cb 1/2 with TPWK on mono board and after i xc he xb Turn and bets again 1/2 on River after hitting 2P.

    SoI have seen him vb 1/2 pot on couple occasions and once betting pot with bluff but also chaising a GS and xc xc Flop Turn with 2OCs on low board.
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    Old 02-08-2018, 04:55 PM   #4
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    Re: husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    I don't see enough reeds to take one of the worst hands to bluff vs a pot sized cbet in a ISO pot. Yeah if you think Villain is more likely to bluff with pot sized bets than go ahead and expand your bluffing range sligtly but there no need to go ham and bluff almost always (if you bluff that combo you're bluffing almost anyhting)
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    Old 02-09-2018, 02:06 AM   #5
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    Re: husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BigFredy007 View Post
    I don't see enough reeds to take one of the worst hands to bluff vs a pot sized cbet in a ISO pot. Yeah if you think Villain is more likely to bluff with pot sized bets than go ahead and expand your bluffing range sligtly but there no need to go ham and bluff almost always (if you bluff that combo you're bluffing almost anyhting)
    I tend to openshove these kind of hands at <15bb deep vs. these villains who iso almost always. I dont feel great to call with off-suit hand so imo better to just choose surely +ev option and openshove whenever NASH allows and limp only for trapping. Opinions about that?
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    Old 02-09-2018, 07:13 AM   #6
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    Re: husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by leuboyaz View Post
    openshove whenever NASH allows
    Isnt this a little bit to early for NASH? I start using Nash from ab 8-10bb deep, 17-10bb still gives a lot of room to play postflop.
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    Old 02-12-2018, 03:29 PM   #7
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    Re: husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    You don't gain with this hand vs his strategy, but you do gain with a lot of the other parts of your range.

    Sometimes in poker you have to be in a ****ty spot and lose.
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    Old 02-17-2018, 03:27 PM   #8
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    Re: husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    Look to Limp shove over a player with a high Isolation %. This play is a bit overly aggro and don't have much fold equity imo. Don't shy away from folding ur bottom 10% vs a guy like this as well pre flop.
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    Old 03-25-2018, 04:32 PM   #9
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    Re: husng J9o 17deep vs Agro donk

    Interesting spot...

    I'd be wary of looking at stats like limp-raise 100% and overall c-bet 70%. First, is he really raising every possible hand over your limps every time (e.g. 72o every time). What's your sample size? Second, unless he's the type to reverse-size (bets large with nothing, small to trap) or always bets pot, we'd have to assume that a pot-size bet is not "normal". Therefore, what hands is he betting pot with on this board? Which hands will he fold to a shove? Given your notes, I doubt he's folding any good Ax, flush draw, straight draw, or pair. Also he may call with KT+.

    If you run through those estimates with some rough calculations by hand or with software (e.g. Flopzilla), you'll see that shoving here is difficult to justify.
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