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11-27-2011 , 06:25 PM

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PrimordialAA

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Originally Posted by Deepak

just saying...

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3954/imagem002mt.jpg (taken from: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...er-pay-610438/)

primo's wife holding a piece of paper saying 'Im moving to Latvia...' would work to

LOL, FML!

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11-27-2011 , 06:32 PM

#452

Deepak

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now a pic of Karliz saying 'Then ill take the empty space on primo house'

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11-27-2011 , 06:34 PM

#453

PrimordialAA

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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA

yea yea understand completely what your saying, question is basically, if his range has Ax removed from it, what line/sizing can we take that maximizes our EV from our entire range.

So basically i'll put his range on the turn as this:

AA: 3/7 combinations
KK: 2/7 combinations
QQ: 2/7 combinations
TJs, JQs, KJs (2/4 combinations)
QKs, QKo, QJo, KJo (8/12 combos), TJo (10/12 combos)
KTo, KTs, QTo, QTs
J9s, 67s (1/4 combos)

and i'll put my range at something like:

88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,8c7c,8d7d,8c5c,8d5d,7c6c,7d 6d,6c4c,ATo+,KJo+,QJo

so my ranges has 59.589% equity vs his range.

I'll assume on turn he calls 65% of his Jx hands (just guessing here, tough to tell), so he'll call:

28.6 combos of Jx, and 7 combos of QQ+

so he'll call 35.6 combos of 100 combos, so call 35.6% of the time (weird coincidence it came to nice math) if we jam.

So on the turn by jamming makes us (895 * .356 * .5213) **.5213 is our equtiy vs his 35.6 calling combos **

so we make 166.09 chips (5.536bb) by jamming turn, so a better solution will have to beat that. Not going to go through all of them, and not 100% sure jamming is def. the MaxEV line, but maybe you can come in now and finish it and give us a few other solutions that do well or beat it?

also obv I didn't add the FE part of calc on the turn and stuff, so to make it more logical:

turn jam yields:

960 + (895 * 5213) = 1426.56 when he calls
960 when he folds

he calls 35.6% of the time and folds 64.4%, so

1426.56 * .356 + 960 * .644 =

507.85 + 618.24 = +1126.09 for turn jam

can someone check that this is logical / math is right? Still would be interested to see your calcs/thoughts on other lines Sander

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11-27-2011 , 06:36 PM

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LOL, FML!

This is the most awesome thing I have ever seen in my life

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11-27-2011 , 06:42 PM

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Deepak

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^^ lol karliz claiming his trophy

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11-27-2011 , 07:02 PM

#456

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this thread has turned so epic.

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11-27-2011 , 07:18 PM

#457

Borg7

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hahahaha

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11-27-2011 , 07:36 PM

#458

Hash1982

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[x] HU4ROLLZ!
[x] A few decent LOLs
[x] Headache inducing strat
[x] HU4WIFEYS

What more could you want from a heads up SNG thread?

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11-27-2011 , 07:44 PM

#459

crazyriver

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insta 5 five stars!

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11-27-2011 , 07:59 PM

#460

jayn

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Awesome thread!

Question for Primo:

Was the decision to 3b 98o mostly based on game flow etc? I don't really understand the reasoning 'i wanted to include 98o to my 3b range, bc KarlizL was cbetting and barreling a ton'. Esp since 98o is definitely a hand that might get u on a really difficult spot on flop after 3betting it. I would understand 3betting stuff like 96o etc way better tbh.

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11-27-2011 , 08:14 PM

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cause....

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11-27-2011 , 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PrimordialAA

this seems dodge to me, doesn't seem plausible that the jam would be that profitable. Also you make calc using your range, so surely you should do the same for karlizl assign a consistent calling Jx range, of which i can't see one where he folds 64% of his Jx and calls the rest

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11-27-2011 , 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chadders0

lololololol @ me, i just realized when I went through and did the narrowed equity calcs, I didn't put in a board in pokerstove. going to re-do calcs real quick and will respond to this

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11-27-2011 , 11:55 PM

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didn't change much tbh, I have even more equity my range v his range on this turn than pre

and also Chadders, your misunderstanding, I didn't say he folds Jx 65% of the time, I actually said he CALLS 65% of his Jx combos, but that still leaves all of his draws/etc. he has to fold, so he folds 64.4% of his overall hand combos

also when I put him calling 100% of his Jx combos (which I don't necessarily think he does), I still have 60.057% equity on the turn, which means it's even more profitable than the numbers above

again, please look it over and let me know if you think my calcs are wrong anywhere

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