I apologise to bakudranski and smartspin for making these posts. I posted in this thread too soon, i should have waited longer before making this public.

sounds like they did threatened you
must be nice

To make it clear, sitting somebody when you know he is on sit-out, blinding down and not sending back is scum. I took my private time to sit him in all lobbies to protect him from losses.
I did not send him money immediately cuz he triggered me when he got back and with not nice manner asked if Smart Spin will refund his money and that made me little mad. Suggesting that I'm a scum is one thing but involving Smart Spin into this is something which changed my state of mind. Instead of calculating the equity I went sleep. The next day I opened my old skype, got msg from him and insta answered. Wasn't sure if he got it, so I sent it one more time 2 hrs later.

https://scr.hu/5AZlm9


A few hours later I get the link to 2+2. He made me mad the second time because imo it was way too fast to do such thing. I agree with the amount of the money he asked to refund which is 8704.27$ not 12k as he originally wrote.

As apologize for Smart Spin. We recently we opened an office on Malta. Because of moral's loss of Smart Spin being involved in that I charged 500e for a dinner in our office.

https://scr.hu/L4qz2D

He also becomes Smart Spin fan.

https://scr.hu/81dlPM


Sent 8121.05$, eot




https://scr.hu/ALBRjo

Next time I'll keep all your money

can someone translate

"you should know that, running a large stable"
This is what triggered you? Don't see how this is negative about SmartSpin.

Seems cruel to then go to sleep and leave him hanging not knowing if he will get refunded from you or not. Even if you took offense to his tone, its understandable given the stress he is in. It takes one second of your time to say "hey, we'll figure out the equity in the morning." Looks like you took some enjoyment out of his misfortune, asking for a 500 euro dinner on top of that is extortion and shows a lack of empathy and ethics.

So next time you'll act even more like a thief?

You are attempting to look like a victim and it's not working very well. I've asked high stakes players and they all think you are out of line. Charging 500e for a dinner is theft. Drop it or you're a thief.

lol at this, so you charge 500 euro because YOU didn't bother to send the money instantly? integrity of smartspin amazes me, he had every right to be afraid that you won't send the money since you were not responding to him in the chat and if you didn't have each other on skype i assume you didn't know each other that well/at all
with that post imo you made smartspin look even worse than after grindation post

Don't choke w the food, even worse when you claim you take the 500 with the brand backing that.

There is obviously no way to prove this, but I am willing to bet large amount of money that this is something you'd never even dream of saying, had he told you to **** off.

Edit:
Imo 5k euro for hookers and blow to relieve the insane stress would be the logical thing to do. Who the f gets better after eating Chinese for 500 euro.

hang on, you took 500 off what you paid him back to buy (an expensive) dinner for your office workers? what?

bakudranski, what you've just wrote is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Also i don't think there is a bigger moral's loss to SS than you being one of its founders.

Seems obvious Scum Spin / Baku the Bandit came up with those demands before agreeing to refund him.

Making him change his avatar to Scum Spin then deducting 500e when you should have refunded him instantly is tyranny. My high stakes MTT friend saw this and his jaw was floored. Every other reg I've shown this to agrees it's tyranny.


You're doing more damage to your brand than the 500e and you deserve all the backlash you're seeing in both threads.

it's at least SmartScum

where did he make you mad? he lost 12k$ and was probably pooping himself a little bit, so its natural he writes this way.
obv its nice of you to sit him to protect him from higher losses, but he cant know that if you dont respond. from what i saw he asked a few times in chat, then tried adding u on skype, and 16 hours later u reply, forcing him to apologize, buy a nice dinner for your staff from his money and you're even a dick about it.
if you had just replied immediately nothing would have hapened at all, but u let him wait forever and then charge him for that? thats on you, not him.

were the apologies a condition for refund

a recap

sit and blind him out on all of his lobbies

get triggered and ignore him when he asks for a refund

steal $583 for some unknown reason?

force him to change avatar to smart spin and post apologies in threads to get his money back

last screenshot very clearly agree with him and you post

"Next time I'll keep all your money"

Why even make that post

if you just eft it alone after the public apology people would actually think it was a misunderstanding or something and think highly of you/smartspin but you just ****ed it all up

ty for showing us the high moral standards spinlegends follows, lol

Wow what an absolute disgrace.
So if you didnt had the smartspin stable you would have stole the money 100% is the only thing I get out of this.
Disgusting behaviour at its finest.

Yeah pretty much this.

Absurd from baku and lol SmartSpin, this is definitely good for your PR in the HU/Spin community. Is this some sort of joke?

Imo baku should pay Grindation back in full and buy him a nice dinner for the trouble.

This thread reminds me of this hand that happened couple days ago vs SS:




I didn't quite understand it back then, but now I think I do.

"He isoed. Hmmmm. That's an insult to SS. We can't be pushed around like that. Herp. Derp. I shove."

End he takes the $200 to buy dinner for the stress.

The people that brought us a hud that details how villains play on different flop textures, a complex and dynamic charts app that sits on an iPad away from stars' prying eyes and founders who were hidden from the biggest spins datamining site before the option was open to any other users are touchy when their ethics are questioned?

Oops, looks like i owe them a dinner

edit*: just saw after this post, there is Spin and Go beginners thread

Hello guys, I've recently started playing with sng's and have few questions. This is my sample, I know it's not large for now, but I've been doing pretty good at microstakes. I won almost 100BI's in 650 tournies, which is pretty sweet I guess. I should note that I haven't studied anything yet, but I do have some nash HU excell sheet table for when to P/F.



Now, since I got kind of hooked on it after these 650 tournies, I said to myself to give it a go. So I downloaded free trial for Spin and Go Master Essential HUD, but am kind of lost. First of all, it's information overload. I don't believe I need to know at microstakes 80% of the information this HUD provides. Yes, as I move up and learn I will add all the stats into consideration, but for now I don't really care about most of them. Most of the players are braindead playing at these stakes.

I have following problems:

I feel pretty ******ed for asking such question, maybe it's just morning brain fog, but.. From the HUD P/F chart, how do I evaluate which hand is for push/fold? On the right excell sheet it's pretty clear, but I don't know how to read that nash chart and make my own decision :******face:.



Second question, how do we estimate our range in this hand?

BTN 17.7BB limps
SB 15.2 BB shoves
Hero 16 BB, what is my range to call that shove? (I know this varies on type of opponent, if someone likes to limp 3bet shoves on iso opponents, then we can narrow our range etc.. but by default, how do I estimate this range?)

Are there charts for these 3 handed situations? Can I use HUD Nash P/F to determine my calling/folding range, how? Should I buy some other HUD that already has these charts implemented?

Third question about 3 handed games. Hero is on BB,
What is my calling/3betting/3bet shoving range when BTN opens 2x and SB calls.?
What is my range when BTN opens 2x, SB folds, Hero calling/3betting/3bet shoving range?
What is my range when BTN folds, SB open 2x, Hero calling/3betting/3bet shoving range?
How does my range change when Villian does this with 3x?

What hands do we limp on BTN (Hero) given stack sizes, or maybe limp call if SB or BB raise?
What hands do we call limp from SB, if BTN limps. What is default our range from SB/BB to raise (I know it must be strong, since SB is the worst position) if Villian limps on BTN and SB calls limp?

I feel pretty confident playing HU, so I won't go into it. I've noticed almost everybody folds to dbet on dry flops and some other things that I feel I have under control.. but most of the times there are dubious shoves when I play 3 handed and am completely lost about what to do. And it's always down to this: 'How do I estimate what my calling range is here, is there a chart for this situation?'.

Thanks in advance if anyone answers me. For the most part, I kind of think I know what to do in few questions I've posted already, but that's just from what I saw/came up with by only playing the game, and not studying anything.. so I need theory.

The number shown means "this # of BBs and below"

So, for example, if the push number is 8.5, you can shove with any # of BBs from 0-8.5, but above 8.5 it's not a nash shove. Hope this helps.


Lol.

Get a coach, join a stable, or buy some charts, but I'd be very skeptical if anyone good is giving out this much detailed info for free in 2017.

No problem, I'll get a coach/join stable in future, just trying to do some basic research on my own for now, that's why I asked these questions. I don't know what information I can expect to get for free or not.

As someone who has met Grindation IRL plenty of times, I could hard vouch X a million Grindation would refund 100% if a reg disconnected vs him.

Taking 500eur for a dinner. Really? it's obviously just a fraction of what was taken but that is just complete bull****.

Odday mu pieniadze ktore wziales na jedzenie. IMO


The fact that you never wrote right away that you will be refunding such a large sum (prob the largest blind out ever?) is insane. I don't understand how you are now trying to say you went to bed?

Makes me embarrassed to be Polish when someone so high-up in the community pulls something like this. My grandma would prob disown me if i pulled a stunt like this..

I mean not even $1 should be taken for dinner in this spot and nobody should ever have to wait so long and sweat this.

No way this is true either IMO...