i swear to god the higher a reg's roi the worse he is. some very lucky braindead people out there.

they aren't lucky they just profit by not playing thinking players. i know this bc i used to be one of them

Hey guys, what % of FTP's current action is US? Say if .US and .com separates, I'd like to estimate the % of traffic each side will get.

Although it's possible that due to the blackout the sites may be hurt irrevocably.

omg i want one sooooo bad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz0Bb...layer_embedded

get Julien Assange onto it

Yeah with this and the WikiLeaks thing, it seems like America is trying to bring an end to the internet as we know it. Funny I was just suggesting that Americans are ridiculous/insular a bit earlier.

Half kidding of course.

pulling up onto miami beach in this thing would be awesome!!!! I officially have a new goal in life.

i'm down for canada. i hear their summers get up to a nice 43 degrees. fahrenheit.

lol i got a buddy of mine that lives up in canada. no taxes on poker...nuff said.

Got a rough answer:

http://www.pokertableratings.com/top-countries

Looks like 35~% of action is from the states.

Winrates, average seems to be -$5.8/100, whereas America is -$7.3/100, so there will be a somewhat noticable but not huge decline in traffic and softness.

Regardless.... F*** YOUUU DORPHINS AND WHAREEEE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwNvIM2W9Aw

wow, the house wins by a lot

Rake's pretty sick.

Other news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-faced.html

yeah definately - i just played *Mikemurdoc* - how does this awful player get 8% roi? he could just play hands face up - f.....g abc poker and he draws it all at the right moment....fu murdoc fu!

could be why hes got a high roi?

i would never have such an roi with playing so bad....but some guys r luckier when it comes down to luck only .... was always like this ...

and now apparently this legislation stuff which i still do not understand seems to result in ftp and ps being closed soon? and no americans playing on party etc. say - no action - no fish - no wins....bad bad day... f.......................

i made the mistake of talking to my parents about the legislation stuff that is going on. my mom's snap-response: "well, i guess if this bill gets passed, you'll just have to get a job for 15 months like the rest of us. maybe the gym you go to is looking for help?"

::facepalm::

Non poker politics in the LC thread please. You should know better too as a poker player that the story means very little to anybody but volume news readers (US isn't the only super power obviously so that story takes a wrong turn from the start). Most overall sophisticated and strongest military in the world doesn't equal complete dominance in all forms, especially a single specific instance.

And we all know, even if we assume the US is super dominant military wise and nobody is even close (not something I know, but using an extreme viewpoint example on purpose), finding a leak/exploiting something one time or in a specific spot isn't exactly indicative of a major failure nor does it mean we should change our opinion or view on either the US or Chinese military.

Anyways, LC.

Why? you think the gym doesn't hire anyone at the mom?

Btw, for those asking about Bodog, Merge, Cereus and why they would not also leave the market:

While nothing is for certain, most people involved in this and most people in general seem to think those sites (Bodog and Cereus mostly) will definitely continue to stay in the market because they offer sportsbook or table game betting (IE UB blackjack IE Bodog sportsbook) and sportsbooks would prevent a site from entering the US market.

So basically there's no incentive for these sites to leave (aside from legal matters, which would likely to be the reason these sites left if they ever did/do during a blackout period).

FTP and Stars would obviously leave because they could then sell to big companies for a ton of money, or just wait it out with their strong non US playerbases until they are allowed back (latter seems less likely from what everyone is saying).

Oh sorry that wasn't meant to be political, I just thought it was really funny and wanted to share with the regs. I don't really read into the meaning I mean, I don't really think any of that will be very relevant. Pretty sure if China and America go to serious war, poker will be the last thing on everyone's mind.

Why "latter"? The two are not exclusive reasons/choices. I am sure they will survive having fewer players for a while, though perhaps it means a lot of cuts.

I don't understand why you would talk to your parents about poker and don't you make more than your parents? Can't you be like "how much did you make this year"?

I see no reason why this bill will stop you from making a lot. Just play live..

my parents are fine w me playing poker. they are relatively supportive, cool w it, etc. they just dont understand this kind of stuff and i shouldnt have brought this up expecting a logical response haha. it doesn't bother me, just thought the response was pretty epic.

i HATE live poker. **** that ****. i'd rather work for a year. i'll def continue to make a lot whatever happens, just trying to weigh option and what not.

The thing is, if they choose to leave the US market and not sell, it sounds like they have to wait 2+ years to get back into the US market (there is some larger timeframe than 15 months where existing companies could not have served the US market in this bill, at least from what those that have seen it said, anything can change of course). If Stars and FTP wait that long, it's likely other sites will have a good stranglehold on the market by then, since sites like Party could enter the US market in 15 months, same with any sites by major casino holding companies like Harrahs.

What seems to be more likely, is that FTP and/or Stars goes to a company like Harrah's (I'm sure both parties already have considered this for some time, hell they could even have rough parameters sketched out for a future sale for all we know) and tells them "Hey, we have the largest playerbases in the US, over xx% market share, we also have considerable market shares in Europe. Buy our company for $x, you can enter the US market at the earliest time (15 months, or less depending on final bill) and rebrand using something like PokerStars by Harrah's and then you have software and a huge market share to boost your launch."

This is all fairly speculative, but if I'm interpreting this correctly, this is what some of the PPA guys or people close to the action in these negotiations are saying and implying.

If anybody has read the entire thread (I read a lot of it and a few other ones) in the legislation forum on 2p2, feel free to let me know if you disagree and why.