Hello guys!

Can anyone explain how stars.eu HU hyper lobbies work at the moment?

1, Cartels from 15 or 30?

2. How about 60-100? Just to battle it out forever or any formal requirements to join?

3. Any information on games/h whould be highly appreciated.

4. Game integrity?

Yehe, that's all. Thankful for some answers here. No need to discuss batllenet lobbies and what might come. Just want to get a picture of the current structure. Thanks.

What buyin level do you play?

Not playing .EU at all for now, but looking to get in the mix. Info about all midstakes <200 is of interest.

I don't have any info, but it would probably help to narrow down your range to what you expect to play in the next 6 months, whether that's 7s-15s or 60s-100s.

Ok, thanks for responding anyway. I see what you mean even tough i thought there was more of a formal structure between mid-stak, maybe there is.

So let's focus on 30-60s.

1.Can we confirm that there is some sort of structured cartel/division?

2. If 1=yes. Can I target specific regs? Can i decline rematches? 2-tabling std?

3. Volume to be expected when in?

The other option is ofc to jump in right away and se what happens. But first wanted to check if there was any etiquette to be aware of

yes there are 30s and 60s divisions.

To get in you need to play x games for y ev roi, I think minimum amount of games is something around 3k, you can also play more games for less ev roi.

Yes you can target whoever you want, you can also target people who are not playing by requesting games and they will have to play vs you, usually its 50 games session per request.
If you sit someone you have to play minimum amount of time, but thats not long, something like 30 mins I think, maybe bit more. Tables are up to div members, they can request up to 3 tables. Usually its 2 Id say but you have to be prepared to play 3.
Not sure about volume.
Speaking about etiquette, Id say main thing what pisses people off is when you sit them and leave in 10-15 mins or so, Im not saying you cant do it, things happen but if you do that on regular basic you can get banned from entering for some time.

Thanks

Hi all,


Would someone be good enough to explain to me or point me in the direction of the relevant information, for an explanation of just what the hell the cartels are, how they work, what is the point or benefit in trying to join vs not joining etc.

Are they a team of players that profit share? and use so-called seating scripts to always make sure they get in required amount of games?

As you can tell I really haven't a clue, so any help would be appreciated.

Cheers.

No profit share, they all use sharkystrator to avoid whoever else is using sharky that they want to avoid and basically que (player 1 gets a game, player 2 is now in the lobby, player 3 waits and it gets him a lobby when player 2 gets a game, etc.).

Depending on the levels, many/most players (particularly lower stakes) will avoid most/all other members, both because they are better players but also because there is more incentive to battle regs on the outside if you want to reg war.

There are different requirements, EV ROI over x games, performance vs other regs, voting have all been popular historic ways to get in.

Someone involved in them can get you more specifics, I'm not up to date on all the details of any of these levels personally.

HS is a bit of an exception, group sharing/coordinated lobby sitting/battling is more common up there as there is a much smaller player pool so if say 5 people get together at a level where there are only 10-15 regular players, it can be a big advantage.

Thanks for the answer, but why then would you want to join when you will have to wait for games, as opposed to not having to?

I cant see the logic behind it, apart from as you have said, not wanting to play better players.

So theoretically, if you were better than all the players on there, or even just at a certain stake, you would just be better off not joining right?

No, you'll only play regs then. Even if you're better than them you aren't going to be able to win much past rake.

Yeah, I know Chicago said as much, and I kind of answered my own question with my response to his reply.

I just find it hard to believe that all regs good or bad, are using a seating script/pre-registrator to wait in line to play the recs (like myself at the moment)

Are you all telling me that there are no top notch regs that don't just play outside of this system?

I think I get the reasoning behind it, with the just not wanting to play tough opponents all the time, and maybe is it something to do with not allowing one player being able to play all the recs himself somehow?

looking through the lobbies where at $15 and above there are no free lobbies at all, does that mean then that unless I too use that sharky that I would never be able to play vs another rec, or is even more difficult than just using that?

And one last question, how is it possible with this queuing system within a cartel then to be able to say play 200 games a day with say a 5% roi at the $15's, just to be able to make $150 a day? I just don't see how that would even be possible.

and I've actually just came across 2 empty Hu Hyper lobbies, one at $15 and the other at $30 so now I'm even more confused about how exactly this works

The divisions don't have 100% lobby coverage all the time, but you'd have a tough time getting too many fish games trying to avoid the div system altogether.

Sharky is basically a mandatory purchase. And yes, basically every single good reg is in the system at some level. Think about it - refuse to join the system and you just play a wall of regs most of the time. The elite regs at the real high stakes will defend lobs vs outsiders basically forever, and lower the reqs are reasonable enough that you can get in within a reasonable timeframe if you deserve it.

Playing 200 15s a day is possible, but keeping up that kind of pace long term is definitely tough for most guys.

Ok thanks for the info.

At what level does this start then $7's, $15's? and is it the same for Turbos too?

15 hypers, 30 turbos as far as I know.

Cheers