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11-10-2013 , 08:00 AM
Hello grinders!

I am new to this format of hyper turbo husng and I want to improve my game, so I need some adiveces from better players.
I will post my hands and my questions from now on in this thread.

Thank you guys for your replys.


HAND 1:

    Winamax, $9.53 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20630311

    Hero (BB): 500 (25 bb)
    SB: 500 (25 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 K
    SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

    Flop: (80) 6 9 Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 53, Hero raises to 110, SB calls 57

    Turn: (300) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets 120, SB calls 120

    River: (540) T (2 players)
    Hero bets 230 and is all-in, SB calls 230 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: 1,000 pot
    Final Board: 6 9 Q 5 T
    Hero showed 8 K and lost (-500 net)
    SB showed T J and won 1,000 (500 net)



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    Question: Where is the mistake? The whole hand is played badly?


    HAND 2:





      Winamax, $9.53 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20630321

      SB: 450 (22.5 bb)
      Hero (BB): 550 (27.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 T
      SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

      Flop: (80) Q Q Q (2 players)
      Hero checks, SB bets 40, Hero calls 40

      Turn: (160) 8 (2 players)
      Hero checks, SB bets 80, Hero raises to 470 and is all-in, SB calls 290 and is all-in

      River: (900) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 900 pot
      Final Board: Q Q Q 8 2
      SB showed K K and won 900 (450 net)
      Hero showed 8 T and lost (-450 net)



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      Q: The call on the flop is bad?

      HAND 3:




        Winamax, $9.53 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20630341

        Hero (SB): 470 (23.5 bb)
        BB: 530 (26.5 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with T A
        Hero raises to 40, BB calls 20

        Flop: (80) 4 6 7 (2 players)
        BB checks, Hero checks

        Turn: (80) 2 (2 players)
        BB bets 53, Hero calls 53

        River: (186) A (2 players)
        BB bets 93, Hero calls 93

        Spoiler:
        Results: 372 pot
        Final Board: 4 6 7 2 A
        Hero showed T A and lost (-186 net)
        BB showed 6 7 and won 372 (186 net)



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        Q: How often is better to C-bet? Is it wrong the check behind in this spot?

        HAND 4:



          Winamax, $9.53 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20630351

          Hero (BB): 284 (14.2 bb)
          SB: 716 (35.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with J 6
          SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

          Flop: (80) 2 A J (2 players)
          Hero checks, SB checks

          Turn: (80) K (2 players)
          Hero checks, SB bets 53, Hero calls 53

          River: (186) 7 (2 players)
          Hero checks, SB bets 186, Hero calls 186

          Spoiler:
          Results: 558 pot
          Final Board: 2 A J K 7
          Hero showed J 6 and lost (-279 net)
          SB showed T A and won 558 (279 net)



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          Q: Fold preflop is better? Or lead in turn, even if he has C-bet only 23%?

          HAND 5:





            Winamax, $9.53 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20630361

            Hero (BB): 520 (26 bb)
            SB: 480 (24 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 5
            SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

            Flop: (80) 6 3 5 (2 players)
            Hero checks, SB bets 40, Hero raises to 100, SB raises to 440 and is all-in, Hero calls 340

            Turn: (960) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: (960) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: 960 pot
            Final Board: 6 3 5 K 3
            Hero showed 7 5 and lost (-480 net)
            SB showed K K and won 960 (480 net)



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            Q: After the ckeck-raise on the flop, at the all in raise what is better: Call or fold, why?


            Thanks for taking the time for reading and replying to my post!

            Good luck at the tables!
            HU - Hyper - Begginer - Need advice Quote
            11-10-2013 , 08:46 AM
            imo fold J6o and 75o pre, but as played J6o ok played, im not very happy calling there river but I call, and c/c 75

            ATs both check and cbet and barrel is fine, Id cbet barrel

            K8o c/f flop
            T8 imo fold flop
            HU - Hyper - Begginer - Need advice Quote
            11-10-2013 , 09:06 AM
            Thank you none888. Very helpfully.
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            11-10-2013 , 09:52 AM
            1) Fold right on the flop. Versus a fish, you do not want create big pot oop with some marginal draw. Call me a nit I prefer c/r nothing but value vs a fish.

            2) Fold on the flop. I'd call one with A-hi, K-hi and reevaluate on the turn. Cause I do not expect fish to bluff this kind of runout very often.

            3) I'd cbet this flop with 100% of my range, because we can fold out his weak hands on later streets. In general, I also do not expect that many hands to get connected with this texture. But this also depends on his tendencies oop. And I also think that you can get a ton of calls from broadways, like Q-hi, K-hi and stuff like that.

            4) How does his PFR stat look like? With this cbet I pressume that his open is fairly small, too. I do not want to go into numbers, cause I do not have fixed ranges for every type of opponent, but I'd fold pre flop.
            Btw, stats on his delayed cbet would be very helpful. Maybe you also picked up some sizing tell. But if he is tight opener, I am definitely folding ott.

            5) C/c otf, so you won't get into awful spots like in this case.
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            11-10-2013 , 10:27 AM
            Hand1: x/c or x/f villain dependend

            Hand2: fold on this flop

            Hand3: well played, a cbet + turnbarrel is also fine there

            Hand4: fold preflop, as played flop + turn is fine, river is a fold

            Hand5: def fold preflop, as played just flat flop
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            11-10-2013 , 12:37 PM
            try very much guys for your replies guys. they are very helpufully.
            HU - Hyper - Begginer - Need advice Quote
            11-11-2013 , 07:30 PM
            First hand: the flop with a Q-9 is not a great spot to re-raise with nothing. Anyway, you went for it, and he called. This means mostly he doesn't have a queen, which is important information. Than there is a 5. There is your change to be at least consistent and move all-in. All though there would be a change he would have 7-8. The bet on the turn does not really make any sense, because all draws, Queen and nine with high kicker will call for sure. The river bet is pretty consistent but at this moment this guy does not have the feeling you have the queen after your weak bet on the turn.

            Hand 2: the call on the flop is bad. The re-raise on the turn is good, any king and ace would bet here and maybe call a re-raise.

            Hand 3: I do not mind playing like that, especially when someone has wider range than me. Mostly you can take advantage when high cards come on the turn and river. I would even make a small 3-bet or an all-in on the river.

            Hand 4: ok call, when he raises more than 50%. The rest is difficult because when you lead out your pot committed. But everything depends on his numbers in this hand.

            Hand 5: What do you beat, nothing. A call pre-flop and flop is just fine depending on his statistics.
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            11-12-2013 , 03:48 AM
            Hand 2 you just played inconsistently. I actually don't mind x/c flop if you think he cbets very wide as a bluff, but check shoving turn implies that he has mostly A, K highs which continue (and it wouldn't make mucb sense for him to continue with bluffs if he does that), which makes me question your flop call.

            So I would either check fold flop, OR check call flop and turn looking to bluff catch any river except a Q.
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            11-12-2013 , 09:04 AM
            Winamax is rigged. You should know that.
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            11-12-2013 , 09:07 AM
            why do u say that? did u play there?
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            11-12-2013 , 10:08 AM
              Poker Stars, $3.40 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20650461

              SB: 620 (31 bb)
              Hero (BB): 380 (19 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 2
              SB completes, Hero checks

              Flop: (40) 4 6 9 (2 players)
              Hero checks, SB checks

              Turn: (40) 6 (2 players)
              Hero bets 40, SB calls 40

              River: (120) A (2 players)
              Hero bets 320 and is all-in, SB folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: 120 pot
              Final Board: 4 6 9 6 A
              SB mucked and lost (-60 net)
              Hero mucked 3 2 and won 120 (60 net)



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              Hand 1: what do you think of the all-in move on the turn? I didn't have that much information on the opponent. He seemed pretty aggressive in the first two hands, so I thought his calling on the turn was pretty weak. Let me know.
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              11-12-2013 , 10:15 AM
              its quite horrible.

              there will be 6x in his range after checking back (the most standard checkback range on flop for villains is 4x, 6x and Ax type stuff, obv it can get much wider, and on this stakes it will get much random too)

              After you bet turn on a small pot like this, he will pretty much call with all the abover range.
              When you range river, you sill get calls by a considerable part of that range, you get calls by Ax (for sure in this stake, after they bink top pair when they floated turn they'll call) you get calls by 6x. The only thing u fold out, is 4x and some other air/better draws, and all that stuff it was completlly unnecessary to bet the ammount you did, they'd fold for much much less.
              Which means that all the other chips you'r just giving them away for when he does have value (which on this spot might be quite frequent).
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              11-12-2013 , 10:21 AM
                Poker Stars, $3.40 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20650471

                Hero (BB): 525 (13.1 bb)
                SB: 475 (11.9 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with K 3
                SB raises to 80, Hero folds

                Spoiler:
                Results: 80 pot
                SB mucked and won 80 (40 net)



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                My opponent raised 38% of his hands. It is the first hand where the BB is 40. Is this a call or not? What in my perspective is also important is that you should try to block raises at this point and let him play a OS game. In my perspective I am to passive when it comes down to raises when we have 12 BB or less. Anyway, I folded here, and do not know if that is a good move.
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                11-12-2013 , 10:27 AM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by Deepak
                its quite horrible.

                there will be 6x in his range after checking back (the most standard checkback range on flop for villains is 4x, 6x and Ax type stuff, obv it can get much wider, and on this stakes it will get much random too)

                After you bet turn on a small pot like this, he will pretty much call with all the abover range.
                When you range river, you sill get calls by a considerable part of that range, you get calls by Ax (for sure in this stake, after they bink top pair when they floated turn they'll call) you get calls by 6x. The only thing u fold out, is 4x and some other air/better draws, and all that stuff it was completlly unnecessary to bet the ammount you did, they'd fold for much much less.
                Which means that all the other chips you'r just giving them away for when he does have value (which on this spot might be quite frequent).
                You recommend a small over-bet or pot sized bet? I think that would be a good move in this spot. I did not put him on a ace, because he limped the pot. I also thought that he didn't have a 6 because the board was very volatile on the flop and he checked. I forgot to say, thanks for your comment by the way (-:

                Last edited by laurents; 11-12-2013 at 10:33 AM. Reason: a thankyou is in order
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                11-12-2013 , 10:49 AM
                  Poker Stars, $3.40 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20651661

                  SB: 600 (30 bb)
                  Hero (BB): 400 (20 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 J
                  SB completes, Hero checks

                  Flop: (40) T 3 Q (2 players)
                  Hero checks, SB checks

                  Turn: (40) 7 (2 players)
                  Hero bets 60, SB calls 60

                  River: (160) 4 (2 players)
                  Hero bets 160, SB folds

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: 160 pot
                  Final Board: T 3 Q 7 4
                  SB mucked and lost (-80 net)
                  Hero mucked 4 J and won 160 (80 net)



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                  Hand 3: Just played. Here I made a pot-sized bet on the river, its a better move than the first hand but is it a good move or not?
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                  11-12-2013 , 01:13 PM
                  Quote:
                  Originally Posted by laurents
                  You recommend a small over-bet or pot sized bet? I think that would be a good move in this spot. I did not put him on a ace, because he limped the pot. I also thought that he didn't have a 6 because the board was very volatile on the flop and he checked. I forgot to say, thanks for your comment by the way (-:
                  at least you try to hand-read, thats good
                  ur overthinking somethings, and underthinking on the basics

                  what are you trying to accomplish with these overbets and potsize bets?
                  you have to think of what's the goal, okay you have a picture of his overall range, now get a picture of what u achieve with these bets

                  also, this is super low stakes, people will tend to make decisions based on their hand regardless of the size, you bet, and they will tend to call with any pair on the river to see showdown. regardless this board was very bad for an overbet on river unless you think he just has a ton of air/highcards and would be calling a small bet (which is pretty much always wrong, and would be hard and very rare to get reads to make this assumption)

                  and this board isnt very volatile (drawy), its semi-drawy at best, and people checkback pairs all the time in drawy boards. people also limp Ax all the time, esp on this stake i'd think even more so
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