Hi
Anyone here had opportunity to play against player called Wormler on 888? If yes, what do you think about this player?

What I noticed so far (I played some games and watched way more when he played against other players):
-never use chat (if you ask him anything etc.)
-he is a reg (he plays almost everyday for hours) but he never rematch - he always decline - even against worst players and take a lobby 7-8 seconds later, no matter who sits there
-every decision during game takes him aroung 7-8 seconds, so every game last longer than average + you go to shove/fold phase in lesser number of hands (over thousands of hands he never makes snap move or time out - that happens by mistake from time to time to each player)
-it still takes him 7-8 seconds to make a move vs sitting out player + 7-8 seconds in every standard spot - when he has to call after river with pure nuts or when he makes his funny raise of 300 while 330 in chips in stack, and got reshoved, then he takes 7-8 seconds just to call those 30 chips with AA
-and of course his strange raises - often raise to 80-90% of his stack instead of all in or some standard pot raise or something like that
-always plays 2 tables - never more

Any opinions? Any experience with that guy?
He was micro player for a long time (according to macropoker - now his stats are hidden on all such sites), then he started playing higher stakes. He moved to 25, played for couple days, moved to 50s, then to 100 and 200 where he probably got crushed and blocked stats then.

haha wormler my friend, I miss him soooo much. He played on FT a couple of months ago....he is not a bot he is just a complete fish, he is just on some sick heater probably or 888 regs are really bad cuz I don't see how he could beat anything higher than 1,5$. If I were you I would hunt him all day

Would happily play him if he werent such a stalling donk. Stalling + extreme heater = annoying as hell. He makes extremely bad plays but he is dealt really good. At first i thought there is some logic in his moves but later on it appeared that this is fishiness and luck. He is harder to exploit due to declining rematches and stalling in a faster structure than on stars.

second thing. Hows that possible he does not misclick even once per around 20.000 hands and why he takes like 7-8 sec to make a move against sitting out player?

If you think a guy is a bot, report him.

Don't post his username in a thread title, if he is a bot you're just giving him a chance to cashout/find out what it is about his play that tipped you off so he can fix it and try to stay under the radar in the future.

Also, it's not very nice to accuse someone of being a bot without good evidence (which should go to the poker room first). If you're truly wrong, you're just hurting someone's name to no fault of their own.

Mostly he is annoying player, do not think he has a lot to cash out. If he is not a bot he is stalling player which is not fair anyway. Guy is reported but unfortunately he is reported on 888 so nothing will be done even if he is bot whose account is funded with stolen credit cards.

Almost certainly a bot. Doubt any site, but stars cares though.

Hate to disagree but in the absence of anything beyond this circumstantial evidence (which can pretty much all be explained by villain just being a clueless fish) I'd go with 'almost certainly a person'.

And ofc all sites care about allegations like this, which I'm sure the OP would find out if he reported the player instead of making his username and characteristics public here.

I really don't like such 'overnight-grown' experts in every field Why you play so low if you are so experienced in internet poker environment and poker game itself? Reporting anything on 888 equals to reporting it to your mum (as being said in some other thread). I used to play on 888, I had a lot of cases where I was reporting collusion and other stuff and I watch games there from time to time as well as on stars. I saw that guy and I can say that there is clearly something wrong with him. This is not a standard player. Not my thing if he is bot or just plain dumb but anyway I think that such players should be banned cause they play against spirit of the game. What can I say is that 888 will not do anything. So we can just talk about that for a while and that is all. Sorry - nothing can be done here, that is 888... Move to stars or live with that.

And by the way... If you really think every site cares that only proves you have completely zero experience with cases like this

Well there's a world of difference between being a bot and just being dumb and playing 'against the spirit of the game' isn't there.

You don't have to be an 'overnight-grown' expert to work out that whereas the OP specifically alleges this guy to be a bot (a clear violation of any poker site's ToS), you think he might just be rude/stupid/a jack*ss. I don't know what 888 specific terms of service are but I'm sure there is a term in there that reserves 888 the right to suspend/ban/otherwise punish behaviour such as deliberately timing down. But this would be a matter of discretion for 888 which is why the OP, or you, or anyone else suspicious, must report it.

Threads about alleged 'bots' often descend into arguments about other stuff and I think this is an example of that.

I don't have any experience with 888 support, but I can guarantee that the chance of anything being done about this guy is exactly 0% unless someone reports him to the site. No matter how bad support may be it will be non-existent if it isn't reported to them.

Finally, the stakes I play at aren't really relevant, but let me say that as a low-stakes player I see plenty of weird, rude and whacky plays and etiquette from other players. I don't play higher like you do but maybe you see less of these plays the OP mentions at higher stakes, IDK.

Should also add that I'm commenting because I feel pretty sorry for the villain being talked about on this forum. I don't think it's right to make allegations about someone without first trying the proper method of reporting to the site in confidence. After all, I could open 2p2 tomorrow and find a thread calling me a bot and I'd be pretty darn angry about it, there being no real evidence.

Your lack of experience in poker world should be enough of a reason for you not to talk about some cases.

First of all according to OP guy was reported. Just read befor you write, first basic rule for any forum.

Second thing, whatever is in T&C stays in T&C and on most sites support just do not care. Read some more forum than just Tournaments -> Heads Up and you will see. Read about Ipoker bots, look up over the internet for bots to buy and sites where they work. Read something about 888 support. As I said - I had many situations where I had to contact 888 support and I know that what they are doing is beyond anyones imagination. I had clear situations where opponent said that he will be stalling on purpose, he confirmed that in chat couple times, he was reported couple times with evidenc etc. Nothing has been done - most sites do not care, welcome to internet poker!

Experience is particular cases > imagination about those cases

This reply is everything that needs to be said. Once youve told the site about it, nothing else can be done. Close thread, move on.