What is the best strategy against frequent button limpers? that also call light pre/post?

raise pre wide value range and play abc post (mostly bet for value)?
do we raise 68s, K2s or only top of the range?
how much to raise pre 3x?

p.s.: mosly micro/low stakes

thanks!

just raise the top ~25-30% of your range imo. Check back the rest.
Don't bluff if they call light, but you can widen your value bet range to include weaker hands.
I raise hands thah flop well (KQ, JT...) to 60 and hands that don't (AK, K9) to 70. Not sure if this is good or not, just something I do (obv if villain is thinking then raise all to the same amount)

also I play micros too so use with caution

Hate those ppl

great advice

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Also, raise/bet a lot of flops especially with high cards. If you've been doing it too much you could try checking back small aces because they don't flop well plus if an ace flops villians not likely to put you on any aces. Your winning with atc almost always on ace high boards anyway if u raise his limp.
My 2 not so informative cents.

Agree with much of this but I think the bold statement oversimplifies and leaves a lot of money on the table. In my limited experience, if you divide the micro limp-callers into buckets, one of the larger groups are players who are completely face up postflop. If they flat smallish cbets they have weak-medium SDV. Against them, you are burning money with small bluffs but you can get half their stack in then fold them out with a bet-bet-shove sequence when the board cooperates.

I think the key is to realize that limp-callers will have varied postflop tendencies. You need to be flexible and react to what you see:
- Are they trappy or face up?
- Are they always firing at the flop when you check?
- What size / how many cbets do they call with middle or bottom pair?
- And obv, you want to know their range for limp-calling and adjust your raising range accordingly

[Same caveat as Benjamin ]

ok, so let's say they are calling light or betting if we check...so aggro post flop

we have 87, board comes Qs7s3c?

we bet (probablly to protect and not give free turn for overcards&fdraws?) and get called? or x/r if we are shure he will bet?
1.)do we contniue on any turn or just on lower cards? to protect?
2.)c/c (when overcard comes, since otherwise we get pushed off our hand too much of the time) or is it better to bet again?
3.)then fold to bet on the river? or we need to call down?
4.)probably if another overcard comes we need to fold to a bet?

i don't know what is the right teoretical approach? i find it tricky to play bad mid&bottom pairs!

cheers!

don't standard raise A-rag, just jam (you will get called by worse) or check back imo. it's hard to get stacks in when you bink your A, and you're going to be lost on lots of flops (and will end up c/f'ing the best hand a decent amount).

i generally 3x with stuff that flops well that dominates his range, so avoid lower suited connectors unless villain is very nitty post - in which case you're probably printing money 3x'ing and cbet/giving up every time.

look out for aggro limpers who like to minraise cbets post often - most villains won't minraise to induce with 2nd pair or worse, so decide if their TP+ : air ratio is believable, and if not stick it in their eyyeeeeee!

Agree with Benjamin and karmageddon.

Basically IMO their strategy is SH*T Its bad because they are playing small pots in position.. They have to play bigger pots OOP to compensate for what they loose not raising IP unless they play super good post flop and owns everyone... Just as Benjamin said raise top 25-30% when they limp and just ch behind the rest. get to know their post flop tendencies and keep raising 90% buttons to force them to play OOP..

Thats my guess.

What would you do by default 25bb deep when villain (unknown) limps and you have A3o, check back or jam?

This is nice. I like lots of people agreeing with me

Also check back weak aces vs unknown.


Genher's 3bet calculator is brilliant for these types of questions, you should be able to find the thread pretty easily as there are a lot of recent posts in it I think (so it should be on pg 1 or 2 of this forum).

As a general rule I don't 3bet shove hands worse than A8 above 20bb. By about 15bb I'm shoving almost any ace, but again it depends on villain's frequencies. Don't 3bet shove A3o if villain only opens 15% of hands