actually Radeh this might present a bit of a problem then, getting a residency permit / long-stay visa woulda made me wait for months after my gf already headed out and could only be done from Boston, so I am here on a travelers visa and just visit another country once every 90 days to renew it for 90 days, so since im NOT residing here currently does that change everything?

Shouldn't really make much of a difference to be honest. It's still a matter of theft/collusion, and a US citizen can sue a EU citizen no problem.

The main thing is that it's a EU country, and there's probably precedence for case of US citizens against citizen of that country. Now if he were to move Kazakhstan or Iran, things might be a lot more difficult...but if he does that, you can just laugh, because you pretty much made his life miserable by forcing him to move to a "not so nice" country in terms of standard of living.

life lesson. worth it.
thank him for it ;-)

I mean of couse that's what the first reaction of a reader would be -punch him in the face, hard- and i'm sure deep down inside that was primo's first reaction. But not everyone is capable of physical attacks and i doubt many of who said so would actually do it facing a situation like this.

Primo, feel bad for you. There's nothing worse than someone betraying and stealing your money you worked hard for bc hes a degen. I can remember a situation where I lost a very small sum of money with money transfers, loans, etc. and I was sick about it. I think it's very impressive you've managed to still play good poker during/since this whole ordeal and to not feel sick/sorry for yourself. Gl to you I hope you get some resolution.

One other thing. I'm sure you've set up guidelines (never loan again or w/e). But something I've done is to eliminate all negative ppl, elements from my life, obv u won't deal with this person again, but it helped me after I was sick over experience.

WOW

What a story. Really amazed.

How could you NOT attack this guy when you were in Sweden?

man I'm speechless. I really do hope that you recover fast and wish you all the best for the future.

Cwar doesn't the perm-ban-button happen to be really close to the 2-day-ban-button? If that is the case I'm sure most people in this forum understand that mistakes can happen.

qfmft.

pretty much would tear his ass up at some point. The best part about it is that even if he was your size and he ended up besting you, there is no chacne he would beat your ass to anywhere near the level you (I) would be aiming for.

Man that's quite a story Prim. I got majorly tilted by his attitude and behavior in the last chat logs.

- "I won't send before EPT is fixed"
- "you don't trust me so why should I trust you"
- "I lose like 10k if I lose the EPT"

ARGH!

The whole story just sounds so unreal. It is hard to imagine how you could possible let him keep doing what he was doing and not stopping earlier.

But it is easy to say as an observer. Things like seeing him winning a lot of tournaments, seeing copy of bank transfer, going to the bank with him a few times and even him coming to France in the first place I can see how it can create a crying hope that he can actually pay you back.

But what is going through such a guys mind? I mean why did he come to France? Was he going because he wanted to scam some more, or did go with good intentions and then just exploited the scam opportunities he got?

I'm amazed by how a true degen douchebag can be this deceptive and cruel against another person. Especially that he did it against a person whom he meets IRL and spends several evenings with together. That he can be so cold to not have the slightest concern about the huge amount he has robbed from a guy that trusted him and even use that against him as a threat to gain. That's just so harsh it's hard to comprehend and makes me so furious inside just reading about it.

SICK story. I can't get over it! I am extremely sorry that this happened to you. I will definitely think twice before I stake another poker player. It doesn't seem like you will get any results with Robert. I think your best bet would be to try and go through his father. You may want to advise his father that you are talking to lawyers and that you will take his son to court and hopefully he will try and arrange a plan to reimburse the fund that his son scammed. I really hope you get your money back so you can finally put this behind you.

P.S. Anyone who posted that Primo deserved to be scammed is a f*cking douche bag (Especially the guy who posted the Amarillo Slim quote). He is posting on this forum to ask for advice and to share his story with others not to ask people how they would have dealt with the past but rather how he should deal with the present/future to try to get his money back.

AnonymousWinner

QFTMFT!!

I think Prim knows he's been too good natured and friendly, but in the end, everyone can get scammed. It's something that can really happen to everyone, no matter what precautions you take. I got my debit card copied in Spain, and some ******* emptied my WHOLE account 6 weeks ago, including my max overdraft.

I lost pretty much everything I owned, and there's absolutely nothing I could have done to prevent it. Getting the money back from the bank of course, but it hasn't happened yet (thank God for my online Poker account, at least I got some cash), and it feels terrible to check your bank account and realize you're thousands in the red.

Go to Russia for business, and you're almost guaranteed to experience some sort of scam. I was in Sochi earlier this year, and the AIRPORT POLICE made up some stupid reason for me to pay a fine, I didn't care 'cause I was there for business, so I just paid. But while I was filling out forms at the police station, I left my credit card on the table, and the idiot of a police officer started noting down my credit card details, and turned it around to get the security code on the back. I stopped him of course and instantly blocked the card even before stepping on the plane, but a lot of people would just let it happen because it's a police officer. Could just as well have been a "friend" like in Prim's case...

Primo, I have no idea how you managed not to assault him. I know the chances of getting your cash back seem slim, but best of luck.

Amazing story. Two things:
- Both of you in the hotel room when your Stars account was drained, being ip checked to the laptop and him denying it? loooooooooooool
- Him saying if he's banned from EPT it'll end his life or something. Amazing he can say that to you after what he's put you through

Good luck and I feel bad for u, but all this situation is your fault and don't be so naive.

Gl further offcourse btw.

How did he react on this thread?

omg i just wanna say again that u letting him out of the hotel room alive after that 9k **** is amazing and saint worthy.

I surely would have resorted to violence on this guy amazing that you didn't. Tilt control ftw or loss I suppose

Hi!

I study law in Sweden and I read about your problem at pokerforum.nu.

I don't have that much time but I'll try to quickly give you my point of view of the legal situation. I have sources to everything I write here but since they all are in swedish, I will not post them here.

There are a few aspects that I will point out and that I think that you should take in consideration.

1. Suing in the US as a civil case
2. Suing in the US as a criminal case
3. Suing in Sweden as a civil case
4. Involve the authority's and sue as a part of a criminal case

1. Suing in the US as a civil case.

This is not a good option because Robert probably has to be present at court and there is no legal way to force him. Even if he doesn't has to be present, there is no easy way get him to pay up if you win the case.

2. Suing in the US as a criminal case.

This option is possible but since I don't know much about US law, I'll stick to the swedish law.

The basic principle is that Sweden does not give away a swedish citizen to a country outside the EU. One exception is if the citizen is suspect to have commited a crime that in the swedish criminal code contains the possibility to get imprisoned at least 1 year.

Without giving it to much thought I would say that the obvious crimes that Robert might have commited is:

1. Bedrägeri (fraud) Brottsbalken (the swedish criminal code, BrB) 9:1

No comments necessary.

2. Urkundsförfalskning (No sure of the english word but perhaps document forgery), Brb 14:1

Because of the e-mail he sent from your mail adress.

Both of these crimes contain the possibility of a one year sentence or more and together they will be considered as a more serious fraud (grovt bedrägeri, BrB 9:3) wich always, if convicted, means spending time in jail (this is not important under this point but perhaps under point 4.).

Conclusion: If a US court finds it necessary to ask Sweden to give up Robert, there is no legal obstacle in Sweden to do so.

3. Suing in Sweden as a civil case.

You have the right to sue Robert in the swedish court of first instance. This would take several months, if not years, and even if you win there is still no guarantee that you will get your money. That all depends on how much money Robert has by that time and how easy it is to get them. Probably, you have to go trough the enforcement authority (kronofogdemyndigheten) and that will take time to. This will cost you a lot in legal help, wich you have the right to claim from Robert if you win, but again, there has to be something to collect.

4. Sue in Swdeen as a part of a criminal case

You go trough the police or the prosecuter and if there is enough evidence they are forced by law to start up a preliminary investigation. If they then decides to indict Robert, i e the crimes mentioned above, they often bring in your civil claims at the same time. This will save you both time and money if it goes trough.

Then there is of course the problem to win the case. What can you prove? You can probably forget the money that you have handed out to him in person because there seems to be no way (according to your story, nothing written, wittnesses?) to prove that these trasactions actually have taken place.

You have the transfers at different poker sites wich you can prove has happend. As someone else mentioned above there is reason for a court to consider both the transactions and Roberts behavior (i e paying some of the money back) as proof that you have lend him the money. Of course there will be a lot of other people around Robert that can confirm his way of lending money and never paying back (scam people) and you will probably not be the only one suing him if the opportunity arise.

My conclusion would be that it is easiest to sue Robert in Sweden (if possible as a part of a criminal case). That is probably the only way that you will ever get some of your money because only the Swedish authority's has the right to force Robert to pay up.

My advice to you is to contact the swedish police and take it frome there. Perhaps that you also should seek some legal advice in Sweden.

I'm really tired and criminal law is not my specialty so there might a lot of misstakes but I hope I helped you out a little bit at least.

gg

wow Gopils... That post was VERY very very helpful/insightful. Thanks so much for taking the time to make an account here and to write all that out. Since you are studying law, do you happen to have any good references as to who I can contact In Sweden for legal advice? And would any Swedish police station be ok or is there a larger one that would be better to present the case to? Thanks again for all your help, that was great,

-PrimordialAA

Edit legal contact can be PM'd to me, it might be better

OP must be a REALLY sweet person to never even once having attempted to hurt the antagonist scumbag.

Not even one sucker punch? Really?

Try to contact the police in the county where Robert lives (if you know that). Serch for the right phone numbers and mail adresses at this page http://www.polisen.se/inter/nodeid=5...version=1.html

(perhaps one of your swedish contacts can help you, if needed)

I'll let you know if some good legal contact comes in mind but you should start with the authorities, you have plenty of time.

As this well-known and infamous scammer is from Jokkmokk, center of the indigenous Sapmi people, it would end with a big reindeer chase.

Some pictures from Jokkmokk so you get the idea

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA, the woman in the last picture is epic... and is this really Jokkmokk (we never went when I was in sweden, I just know it's far in the north, and lulea is the biggest city by him)