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How to get MAX value here:: 20$ reg speed HU How to get MAX value here:: 20$ reg speed HU

09-23-2010 , 12:18 PM
villain is pretty bad so far i am 90% certain that the following is true about this villain:


once he just completes pre he does not have a PP and he does not have an ace, even a weak Ace he tends to raise it up

he does limp/call pretty weak, std 'i already have some chips in ill see a flop now- leak'

so except for him having Q2 im always good on the flop (ldo) iow the ace does not scare me at all however some kind of suited cards are not unlikely like 75s or w.e , thats frankly the only thing i see him calling with so i was thinking damn this hand IS interesting, how do i get max value here, i know im far ahead and im only screaming FML when he calls OTF and a spade comes off on the turn but can i check this flop i was wondering, can i check ti and hope to let him catch up?

Full Tilt Poker $20 + $1 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: t1600 80 BBs
Hero (BB): t1400 70 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K K
BTN/SB calls t10, Hero raises to t80, BTN/SB calls t60

Flop: (t160) 2 A Q (2 players)
Hero bets t100, BTN/SB folds

Final Pot: t160
Hero wins t160

Last edited by fastcolt; 09-23-2010 at 12:24 PM. Reason: didnt explain fully at first what i was thinking because im still playing in meantime atm
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09-23-2010 , 12:22 PM
wp
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09-23-2010 , 12:24 PM
guess you got no reads...

i think you did fine
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09-23-2010 , 12:25 PM
i edited post plz reread OP

i posted reads in it etc, because am palying multiple tables but if i didnt post it right away i wouldve forgotten bout it, and i truly think its much more interesting then WP or guess you did fine
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09-23-2010 , 03:02 PM
Obviously based on your reads he has a huge range for calling PF, but on the flop his probable cbet calling range has a ton of outs against you: flush draws, gutters, Qx, 2x all have 2-9 outs against you.

Bottom line: a check here is more dangerous than you think; I think there's more value to be had in a standard cbet on the flop, to get value from the hands I mentioned. If you want more of his bottom range to continue, bet a little smaller, 85-90. As played, looks like he has nothing, but don't be results oriented. Maybe next time you kick yourself after checking and letting his Q3 catch on the turn and bust you.

EDIT: Cliffnotes- sometimes they just don't have anything, and you're not gonna get paid.
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09-23-2010 , 03:08 PM
Obv u can ck this flop but u dont get any value anyway if he has random air.
WP and dont over think.
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09-23-2010 , 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zachaser
Obviously based on your reads he has a huge range for calling PF, but on the flop his probable cbet calling range has a ton of outs against you: flush draws, gutters, Qx, 2x all have 2-9 outs against you.

Bottom line: a check here is more dangerous than you think; I think there's more value to be had in a standard cbet on the flop, to get value from the hands I mentioned. If you want more of his bottom range to continue, bet a little smaller, 85-90. As played, looks like he has nothing, but don't be results oriented. Maybe next time you kick yourself after checking and letting his Q3 catch on the turn and bust you.

EDIT: Cliffnotes- sometimes they just don't have anything, and you're not gonna get paid.
perfect answer tyvm

this is how on avg i would play the hand vs this villain but thought it was just interesting to think about it as in, how dangerous is checking this flop and was wondering what you guys thought i know the std is to bet it

but was curious to see how i could get more streets of value even if he had air but because this villain was pretty passive i figured by checking ehs not really gonna make any sick bluffs and if he catches up too much ima hate my life :d
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09-23-2010 , 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zachaser
Obviously based on your reads he has a huge range for calling PF, but on the flop his probable cbet calling range has a ton of outs against you: flush draws, gutters, Qx, 2x all have 2-9 outs against you.

Bottom line: a check here is more dangerous than you think; I think there's more value to be had in a standard cbet on the flop, to get value from the hands I mentioned. If you want more of his bottom range to continue, bet a little smaller, 85-90. As played, looks like he has nothing, but don't be results oriented. Maybe next time you kick yourself after checking and letting his Q3 catch on the turn and bust you.

EDIT: Cliffnotes- sometimes they just don't have anything, and you're not gonna get paid.
Do you like a check here if there was no flushdraw, and betting turn/river (or both) ?
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09-23-2010 , 04:53 PM
yeah good question since villain hits this flop less then 20% of the time (no A) and wont float with a pp because its just not in his range

therefor i was thinking like if i check flop then i might get one or possibly 2 more streets since it gives him room to catch up
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