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02-26-2013 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by watergun7
I think he's not contradicted himself. There's a difference between strongly solved and weakly solved. Strongly solve means that the best play has been found for every situation that may come up- even e.g. when sb limps at 3bb and bb checks his entire range- if poker is strongly solved, then the optimal strat from here would be known.

High stakes regulars playing each other are probably getting close to weakly solving the game- i.e. the optimal strategy from the starting position, and subsequent situations arising from optimal play is known. Strongly solving the game is much harder (e.g. checkers/draughts is only weakly solved), and is what you are looking for when playing vs fish.
I think you're a bit off. It is true that as far as playing optimally vs fish goes the solved strategies aren't very useful, but i disagree that this is because of the difference between strongly solved and weakly solved. It's still possible to follow the weakly solved strategy against suboptimal playing fish, if you are trying to maximally exploit a fish the strongly solved strategy(set) wouldn't be really any more helpful.
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02-26-2013 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by watergun7
I think he's not contradicted himself. There's a difference between strongly solved and weakly solved. Strongly solve means that the best play has been found for every situation that may come up- even e.g. when sb limps at 3bb and bb checks his entire range- if poker is strongly solved, then the optimal strat from here would be known.

High stakes regulars playing each other are probably getting close to weakly solving the game- i.e. the optimal strategy from the starting position, and subsequent situations arising from optimal play is known. Strongly solving the game is much harder (e.g. checkers/draughts is only weakly solved), and is what you are looking for when playing vs fish.
Hmm I see, so its my lack of knowledge, didnt know there's something like weakly solved game, but makes sense.
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02-26-2013 , 09:28 AM
Nah I do contradict myself in a way, I think its just the progress of my own thoughts on poker. Idk if other players have this, these thoughts evolve and change and at any given time I will think back of how I thought about poker 3 months back, and come to the conclusion that I understood nothing back then. Thus I think at least half of the things I said in my well are complete crap.

To the point though, its just a different game when you're 4 tabling a good reg that is not strongly emotional during the game. This could be solves a lot easier then when were looking at a fish attempting his final martingale in a 1k hyper. A lot more factors come into play that cannot be put into equations. For example, two identical hand situation with the same stacksize and opponent can have completely different optimal lines based on gameflow, a feel for whats goin on at that moment.
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02-26-2013 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by crimsonchin
This could be solves a lot easier then when were looking at a fish attempting his final martingale in a 1k hyper. A lot more factors come into play that cannot be put into equations. For example, two identical hand situation with the same stacksize and opponent can have completely different optimal lines based on gameflow, a feel for whats goin on at that moment.
I think the point of conflict here is simply the usage of the term solved and whether you can use it to refer to optimally exploiting someone, or that the word solved should only be used when trying to figure out GTO strategies.
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02-26-2013 , 01:06 PM
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For example, two identical hand situation with the same stacksize and opponent can have completely different optimal lines based on gameflow, a feel for whats goin on at that moment.
Optimal in terms of max EV line, not GTO, then yeah sure. Though if we talk about solving the game there's always one and only line to take that is unexploitable, regardless of game flow. But for sure it's not max EV vs opponents that strongly deviate from GTO themselves, so like Hundrye said, why bother even looking for it in games vs fish when non-GTO lines will show much bigger profit.



About solivng a game vs regs and vs fish (weakly solved idea). I think that it was about the fact that game vs reg is like poker with a bit simplified rules, because some spots wouldnt ever come up (that u can see often in games vs fish), there's less chaos and game is more predictable. Thus we can say its less complex version of poker than vs fish when you basically need to know more perfect ranges, eg. when faceing some unusual sizings + lines. So imo there's analogy to extremely non-complex version of poker, well known push-fold option, that was easier to solve and its solved for some time now.
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02-26-2013 , 04:27 PM
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To the point though, its just a different game when you're 4 tabling a good reg that is not strongly emotional during the game. This could be solves a lot easier then when were looking at a fish attempting his final martingale in a 1k hyper. A lot more factors come into play that cannot be put into equations. For example, two identical hand situation with the same stacksize and opponent can have completely different optimal lines based on gameflow, a feel for whats goin on at that moment.
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03-03-2013 , 06:00 AM
Weekly Report #9 - mrgr33n13, SkaiWalkurrr and Adonis112 Lead the Way

Charles Hawk is out for 1-4 weeks, more likely the longer part of that range. If anyone has passion for the high stakes games and is decent at writing, PM me if you'd like to write one of the high stakes reports.

We pay for these too, so it's not a free type gig, we can talk details via PM.

I'll try to get some hand packs up myself during the week and maybe another interview (we interviewed mrgr33n13 this week). If nobody steps up and Charles isn't back, I'll continue to write the weekly reports.
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03-11-2013 , 01:07 PM
Weekly Report #10 - Lotte Lenya wins, with mrgr33n13 and skaiwalkurrr not too far behind

We'll continue with hand packs this week. Sorry about that, didn't have any hands to use last week, but I have a few users that are submitting some this week minimum, and I should have access to more as well.

Please PM me if you see any high stakes reg wars, interesting chat or even interesting hands. Thanks guys!

We might see one or two guys try out the high stakes report for the next week or two, until Charles is back.
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03-11-2013 , 02:19 PM
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03-11-2013 , 08:17 PM
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Alex says, "I'm not sure what I was doing for awhile. Well, for one, I confused two hud stats and it had me playing way too loose.
Bahahaha

Also, less homoerotica please. This is poker ok.
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03-12-2013 , 04:04 AM
Alex had a good week, he can buy a shirt now.
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03-12-2013 , 06:52 PM
Great articles
Enjoy reading the ones with chat the most
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03-12-2013 , 07:44 PM
These r so much more fun to read now im involved.
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03-13-2013 , 04:21 AM
Thanks guys.

I got another solid one in the next 12 hours or so hopefully.
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03-13-2013 , 10:33 AM
Gypsymagi820 is back in high stakes games; mrGR33N13 shares some hands vs him

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 03-13-2013 at 01:23 PM.
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03-18-2013 , 01:48 AM
mrGR33N13 has a massive week, wins over 50% of our tracked players total profit with ~150k

*Server is restarting now, so site may be down for up to 30 minutes after this post.
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03-21-2013 , 11:34 AM
03-22-2013 , 04:54 AM
Are you sure that the mrGR33N13 vs JACKSTACK99 hands are not old hands already posted? I believe I've seen all of them before in a small period of time, maybe during a rail but last time I did that was 2 weeks ago. I knew the showdown hands already, how recent those hands are?
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03-22-2013 , 10:50 AM
You might be right, Charles Hawk made it so I'm not sure, but he has a new (and definitely unique) one here - Eric2441989 Hands
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03-26-2013 , 09:13 AM
I'm back, guys I was in a sanatorium for a while (health issues), but now you will be getting as much HS Rail action as before (4 hp's + report/week).

Also I will talk with Ryan about possibility preparing 6 hp's (every day something to look at)
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03-26-2013 , 11:07 PM
Charles you're my favourite poster and i have high standards for posting
Hope you're feeling better and post some good reports
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