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12-11-2010 , 04:20 PM
Ok so what do you think of these leads. I don't have the HH's (too lazy to look up) so I'm going by memory.

Tight/maybe card dead Villain, has folded every hand thus far

610 Hero with: K7dd
390 Villain min raises on button. Hero flats. Flop 667ssh.

Hero leads t55

Aggressive, not so good reg. Likely on tilt as I saw him playing 1ks earlier vs good 1k regs (this is a 200). Usually hes quite tight, but now hes playing very loose, opening a lot of buttons and cbetting at a high clip. This is the 2nd game Hero got ran over last match.

510 Hero with Ac3d
490 Villain min raises on button. Hero flats. Flop ah4c9d.

Hero leads t50

Villain is tightish (50% pfr, 10% limp) on button and rarely cbets. Other than his over the top nittiness hes pretty solid.

550 Hero with js9c
450 Villain min raises on the button. Hero flats. Flop 3c5h6h.

Hero leads t60
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12-11-2010 , 04:29 PM
I like none of them:

1 is probably closest, but I feel you do far better against a bet/call range than a raise range, and he is not always checking back air. He checks back a high and k high, former is bad but k turn would be excellent and he may cbet those anyway.

2 I don't like tooo much because even if he's tilted he knows you know he's aggro so it makes no sense for you to donk and not check raise weaker pairs, draws or air to make sure he can't put the last bet in.

It'll look weird and he won't jam air IMO, when he'd cbet all of them.

3 is fine but if he checks through seeing a turn (and him check) is not bad either and I prefer it.
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12-11-2010 , 04:38 PM
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, opening a lot of buttons and cbetting at a high clip
Why are you donk leading top pair with the above read?

Hand 3 you can actually still check raise a decent bit, as his open range discounts a lot that hits that flop and a winning player that is tight still probably cbets there with too heavy an air range. Maybe not true in this instance, but look for more indicators to tell you whether or not a CR is good or not (same with a donk lead, honestly against somebody who probably plays so obviously in one way or another, checking here is often good failing donk bet reads which you don't seem to have).
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12-11-2010 , 04:45 PM
Also I jam A3 with... Without those reads even but definitely with them. I'd rather flat more playable axs so I can checkeaise more boards. The more he opens the better it is to jam weak Ax pre IMO. I doubt he's going to barrel off all air on Axx just because you're capped and he's aggro so that doesn't counteract the fact that A3 plays poorly IMHO.

Also misread h3 read. I check give-up bs check through a lot. Nit IMO.
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12-11-2010 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Why are you donk leading top pair with the above read?

Hand 3 you can actually still check raise a decent bit, as his open range discounts a lot that hits that flop and a winning player that is tight still probably cbets there with too heavy an air range. Maybe not true in this instance, but look for more indicators to tell you whether or not a CR is good or not (same with a donk lead, honestly against somebody who probably plays so obviously in one way or another, checking here is often good failing donk bet reads which you don't seem to have).
I lead top pair in hand 2 cause of fps I guess, he wasn't going to barrel me if I c/c this board with many bluffs and I figured he'd give alot to a c/r. since he knows I expect him to cbet this board 95% of the time this might induce him to bluffraise or float. I guess if it was a97r or a96r that would be better as it opens up my range of gutters and straight draws.

What are these donk bet reads you mention?
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12-11-2010 , 04:57 PM
CR over a wide cbet range > off chance he reads your lead as weak and plays back.

I mean, you've said he's cbet a ton lately, this isn't the scariest board in the world and he's ran you over, why would he soul read you and check back here?
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12-11-2010 , 05:26 PM
I presume these are all on 10/20 level?

I don't think either one of them is optimal, altho the 3rd hand is prob quite close, but I still prefer checking it and betting turn. Vs a nit on that board there are really no bad turn cards.
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12-11-2010 , 07:02 PM
Yea unless the tight reads extend to checking back (from what I understand he's just folded every button thus far?) I think a check raise in hand 1 is likely better than a lead or check call.
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12-11-2010 , 07:24 PM
the first one is fine but you might be pretty face up on a lot of turn/rivers so dont mind it vs this tight guy but would be bad vs loose agro imo

2nd one is also fine if you think he can spew here but in general its a good spot to balance cc range vs most regs. he shouldnt expect u to have too many Ax here because everyone seems to auto jam those at these stacks so he can barrel

i like the 3rd one if he doesnt play back much. what turns do you plan to barrel if he flats?
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12-11-2010 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tamas6
the first one is fine but you might be pretty face up on a lot of turn/rivers so dont mind it vs this tight guy but would be bad vs loose agro imo
The way I read it, villain in hand 1 was tight preflop (folding all buttons thus far).

With the paired board (albeit draw heavy), do you think villain is checking back a ton just because he's folded buttons previously?
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12-11-2010 , 07:45 PM
not all the time but def expect him to check back a lot of showdown Ah Kh etc and from what we have seen his opening range might be fairly nitty and have a good amount of showdown in it.

also im not thrilled about playing for stacks here think a lead might be better
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12-12-2010 , 01:42 AM
if you defend A3 second hand, check raise all day he will never believe you have an ace and shove so much
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