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11-05-2011 , 05:35 PM

mermigi

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 248

Hi everyone,
3bet pots seems to be a very important part of a husng game and one i 'm looking forward to improve.I have a ton of respect for some players here and the way they think about the game and i would like to hear some opinions for this hands.Misplays,different lines...etc

Poker Stars, $28.78 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10975232

Hero (BB): 1,470 (36.8 bb)
SB: 1,530 (38.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

SB raises to 80, Hero raises to 225, SB calls 145

Flop: (450) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets 200, SB calls 200

Turn: (850) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 380, Hero raises to 1,045 and is all-in, SB calls 665

River: (2,940) K

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Poker Stars, $14.39 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10975252

Hero (BB): 2,025 (67.5 bb)
SB: 975 (32.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

SB raises to 60, Hero raises to 180, SB calls 120

Flop: (360) J

(2 players)
Hero bets 150, SB raises to 795 and is all-in, Hero calls 645

Turn: (1,950) 5

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (1,950) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Poker Stars, $14.39 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10975262

SB: 1,292 (43.1 bb)
Hero (BB): 1,708 (56.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

SB raises to 75, Hero raises to 225, SB calls 150

Flop: (450) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets 200, SB calls 200

Turn: (850) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 340, Hero folds

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11-05-2011 , 07:15 PM

pooONSTICK

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 161

ok so i liked a lot how u played the first hand, checking the turn to induce and balance ure range is an excellent play imo,

second hand i prefer check shoving, ure opponent might check back and give u a free card and if he bets u can shove and still get some folds

3rd hand is standard against uknown, i might check/call 3 streets vs aggro donks and u can check call flop to tightish players

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11-06-2011 , 06:34 AM

mermigi

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 248

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Originally Posted by pooONSTICK

pooONSTICK thanks for the post,really helpfull.
Looking back the second hand and thinking if is it better to bet/call something like 260?Stacks given betting 260 put villain to a spot that he has to make a decision for his whole stack.

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11-06-2011 , 06:48 AM

matvaju

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 607

1. I dont like check on turn, cuz he will chb a lot of his draws and sdv hands, so we lose value. Plus, this turn is a brick, unless he have 76, so if he called flop, he is probably calling turn as well.

2. line is good imo, but cbet more, so u get better odds to call it of.

3. i think it's is fine, u can ch/c this turn, if u saw him floating 3b pots before.

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11-06-2011 , 07:02 AM

mermigi

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 248

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Originally Posted by matvaju

I'm little confused with second hand.
First of all given stack sizes I assume we never folding here?
If we were deeper (50 bb deep) we still betting bigger on flop?and what is our plan if villain just flat and we miss on turn?

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11-06-2011 , 07:08 AM

Barbra Streisand

banned

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,741

well matjavu tries to explain why betting bigger is optimal in the second hand.
you are, indeed, NEVER folding your AK here with 2 overs and a gutshot to the nuts, with shallow stacksizes.
As played you bet the turn ridiculously small which will give villain reason to believe you're bluffing -- so his shovingrange will greatly widen up. usually that'd be awesome but even his bluffshoves will contain hands that have you beat (small pps, 87s and ****) so by betting bigger he will a) fold more hands that have you beat and b) you're getting better odds to call a jam.

im so ****ing tired its not evenfunny, so sorry if this doesnt make sense

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11-06-2011 , 07:20 AM

mermigi

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 248

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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand

Thanks Barbra,makes a lot of sense.
And what about same hand with deeper stacks?We still bet bigger?we folding to a shove?

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11-06-2011 , 07:25 AM

matvaju

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 607

what barbra said, and also i think vs small size, he can peel one card, which is bad for us, cuz we want to gii on flop. With deeper stacks, i still think that we should cbet more, but i doubt that he would jam on us with 40bbs behind or smth. If he would, then probably it would be a fold.

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11-06-2011 , 07:25 AM

AlaskaForever

adept

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 808

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Originally Posted by Barbra Streisand

im so ****ing tired its not evenfunny, so sorry if this doesnt make sense

It makes sense, if you replace word turn with flop:-)

1 is ok,
2. what matvaju and Barbra said
3. Any reads? We can checkcall turn, but 15$ players dont shut down after one stab.

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