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Old 03-21-2015, 06:52 PM   #1
gjbondgaurav21
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Heads up sngs: Limping preflop against calling station and maniac in button?

Actually, I am low stakes Heads up regular and I have a very big doubt on min raising on button with trash hands or AK, AQ hands when you are facing maniacs and calling stations?

Case I: facing a calling stations

When I am raising 2xBB against this kind of player, then they are going to call me. And c-betting against them with air out of question. So, why are you wasting one more big blind when you are going to make thin value bet in good hands to take his all money when you hit. (loose passive opponent hyper)

Case 2:- facing a maniac


When I am raising 2xBB then they are going to 3-bet me which is very bad because if i do not hit in flop then i have to lose 6-7BB but when i am limping, then i am going to lose 2-4 blinds raise. And if maniac limps with my min raise, then after he is going to bet against my c-bet in OOP or reraise my c-bet. (loose aggressive opponent hyper)

So, can you tell me that is this thinking right for my game against calling station or maniac? Limping is right for this kind of low stakes players

Players are loose aggressive or loose passive.

But against tight aggressive and tight passive, min raising is a right option but in low stakes, this kind of players are less than maniacs and calling stations.
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Old 03-25-2015, 02:25 AM   #2
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Re: Heads up sngs: Limping preflop against calling station and maniac in button?

vs stations, I still raise all the hands I wanna play postflop with them. These guys are passive, and its very easy to navigate postflop vs them. If I flop anything like Middle pair +, I Cbet and DB almost always for value. If we miss the flop I would still bet sometime if I have decent OC.

You get to see turn & river a lot vs stations, and you 'll get to realize your equity easily, so putting money in the pot in earlier street is less of a problem , I think, especially when your hands usually have implied odds cause you can barrel thin like I said above.

Some stations can be bluffed on the river for a really small bet, you'll just have to find out whether or not they're of this type. Oh, and I also raise abit bigger with KT, QJ... type hands and smaller with speculative hands cause many villain just call 100% BB.

So, imo, we should still raise most of our hands vs stations.
vs maniacs, I find it more difficult cause each maniac seems to prefer different spots so we'll have to deal with each villain differently.
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Old 03-26-2015, 07:12 AM   #3
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Re: Heads up sngs: Limping preflop against calling station and maniac in button?

If you and I are near same skill level but you limp and I raise from bttn, who wins?

You play all the raised pots OOP and I play only limped pits OOP plus I realize all my equity from pre to flop and you fold some pre.

Start by raising most buttons (I use 80% vs station, 100% vs tighter) and I guess you can open a limp range vs maniacs but I think it is sub optimal. I think the correct adjustment vs maniac is to simply call 3 bets more and 4 bet bluff more.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:08 PM   #4
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Re: Heads up sngs: Limping preflop against calling station and maniac in button?

stack sizes are important here but I assume you are talking about 25BB hyper turbos. At 25BB I will start off min-raising my whole range vs an unknown opponent. If that opponent has VPIP of ~70%+ in the BB after a decent sample size and is not folding to enough bets postflop I will likely start constructing a limping range vs him. Also I think if you're not comfortable cbetting air vs a villain(which should be VERY rare) you should most likely have a limping range vs that villain.
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Old 03-26-2015, 03:19 PM   #5
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Re: Heads up sngs: Limping preflop against calling station and maniac in button?

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If you and I are near same skill level but you limp and I raise from bttn, who wins?

You play all the raised pots OOP and I play only limped pits OOP plus I realize all my equity from pre to flop and you fold some pre.

Start by raising most buttons (I use 80% vs station, 100% vs tighter) and I guess you can open a limp range vs maniacs but I think it is sub optimal. I think the correct adjustment vs maniac is to simply call 3 bets more and 4 bet bluff more.
raising 80 percent vs a station is completely wrong and terribad, ducy?

also, i can near guarantee there are people out there that can own your soul limping every button.. you are stuck in the "we have to be aggressive" notion, which is just completely outdated
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Old 03-27-2015, 09:26 PM   #6
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Re: Heads up sngs: Limping preflop against calling station and maniac in button?

yes, expanding limping range vs maniacs and stations seems a good idea

their high vpip makes bluffing (raising and/or c-betting weak hands) less profitable or even -ev. We have to play more of a hit and win strategy. Limping lets us see a lot of flops cheaply and realize our equity.

Vs some maniacs i completely abandon raising range. Vs station i think we should always raise our strong hands for max value.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:46 PM   #7
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Re: Heads up sngs: Limping preflop against calling station and maniac in button?

Didnt know this was hyper turbo w super short stax
I dont play those.

love to know how m raising 80% vs station is awful
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