I see a lot of fellow players create new threads about their accounts being frozen by Pokerstars regarding cheating/botting suspicions. I decided to make this thread to group all this complaints/posts together. As a 100s Spin Reg myself I am very familiar with the situation and what it's all about.

For those of you reading this thread and not knowing what is all about:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...s-com-1692698/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...rozen-1696219/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...count-1697658/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...count-1697578/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...rozen-1696498/

Summing things up. Anastasios Pappas or akis_333 one day decided that his head doesn't have what it takes to make profit playing online poker and together with koh1990 and tseloni created a software to assist their decisions while playing. This software is what Pokerstars is against. Since them together with their Hungarian horses got banned for using it, every day they would look buyers for their software or at least buy abandoned accounts to use. They also operate a new stable where they hand over the software to their horses for free.

I am starting this thread to share my thoughts regarding this matter with the community and maybe give to some more "naive" people than me some food for thought.

I spent quite some time, which I could have spent grinding or studying, doing research regarding the matter.

What gets to my nerves more than anything is when I see people who are as guilty as it goes start new threads on 2p2 and being all about how innocent they are and how all this is a conspiracy from Pokerstars and Smartspin to favor their interests.

First of all, Pokerstars haven't missed any single opportunity given to them, to prove to us how greedy they are. That's the same company some of you accused for banning player's from their site for no reason at all.

I am pretty sure that Smartspin and Pokerstars are not working together... It's like one of these nonsense conspiracy theories you read from time to time on the web. People supporting this sci-fi (vast majority of them coincidentally happens to be cheaters) have as their primary argument to support this that quite often Smartspin members are winning big multis. Well, when you are as guilty as it goes I guess it probably helps your claims scapegoating in expense of Smartspin. I think it's about time to realize that this accusations seem rational only to you and for everybody else, Smartspin, the largest Spins stable, hitting multipliers more often than others is quite expected.

I see all of these "innocent" regs being victimized by Pokerstars and god knows who else. You guys are so pathetic, what you do, getting a ban shouldn't surprise you. What should surprise you is why you didn't get a ban earlier. You decided to play against the rules, now it's about time to man up, grow some balls and face the consequences, It's about time to stop bull****ting this community. We are getting bull****tied by Pokerstars for quite some time now, we got plenty of **** already.

As much as I dislike how Pokerstars kills poker and detest anything related to them I cannot deny how good and accurate they handle such cases. Only complaint would be the amount of time required to unfreeze innocent accounts.

I feel bad for those who are innocent and get suspended till their innocence is proven. But anyone who watched at least one crime movie knows that in order to catch the bad guys, interrogating innocent civilians cannot be avoided.

fontainerote

He got his account frozen and got investigated by PS. He is now back at the tables. I don't have any idea why he raised suspicions but I am pretty sure if Pokerstars did that they had their reasons. Not sure if their reasons where some biased players' reports or something else. In my opinion, if a group of players reported him because they didn't like him, PS could just hold an investigation without freezing his account. Maybe that's what they did and deemed necessary to proceed with freezing his account. In the end though PS decided he is clean. I feel bad for you man having to go through this, welcome back What happened to you shows to the community that Pokerstars cares. I would also like to add that if this happened a lot, by that I mean PS suspending innocent players, it would show us that PS has no clue what she's doing. But when under such circumstances there is something like 5%-10% false alarm rate, I want to believe that you and the rest of the community understand that this is something that you unfortunately had to go through but it happens for the greater good.


FREEQ7Z

Another player I have nothing against. Good luck with your case and may justice be served.


SpinPlayer & bstefano08

Seems like behind both of these accounts is akis_333.


againstbots

Seems like he knows stuff. Wouldn't be surprised if this was a PS or 2p2 insider.


kakospaidis

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...=#post51677581

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...=#post51687732


"I am part of a spin n go stable.
My deal looks like this.
1.A player must stay with the time for at least 2 years or until he has played 50k spins.
2.Share profiting is 50-50 including the starcoins.
3.Every player must follow the preflop charts and the post flop lines of the team verbatim.
4.Every player must take part in the group and private coachings whenever these are scheduled.
5.Every player must put in more thatn 30 hours per week playing and studying combined.
6.Whoever joins the team,must have a decent pc setup especially when he claims the stakes(2 monitors,6+GB ram,i5+ etc).
7.If a player busts the refills are infinite and the sum of money that the stable has given to a player goes to his make up.

I think it's a fair deal."

"It's a greek stable and if someone is into the Spin n go and HT husng scene and follows the news,the founders and the ones that hand the strategies to the team are two of the most winning spin and husng players in the world.
They are Greek and I'm sure you know their nicknames.
I did forget to mention that if a player after the two year period or after 50k games is still in the makeup or losing money the team just releases him if he wants to leave without paying a single dime back to team from the money that he actually owes.
Plus there is a monthly deal that that has to do with chipEV/tourney and the stakess that someone plays and acts as a bonus for the player not to worry if he didnt make money the last month per say.
all in all think all in all it's agood deal"

kobmish replied on the first post: "Is using one's brain allowed or not?"

Apparently the answer is no.

This guy literally took it to the next level. I guess he forgot that not long ago he made these posts. It also seems that even back then he was aware of the violations he was about to do. Checking more of his posts even though he was asked if he has anything to do with akis_333 and botting his response was "I am not botting". He also "said but didn't said" (because he knew) that akis and friends are his coaches. Judging from his case, it seems that the software scales with player's skill. He wasn't able to beat the highest stakes even with it. That's how bad you and your coaches are, maybe if you stopped blaming everything else and focused on yourself you wouldn't be in this thread today.

This also answers the question many people asked. "Why would a 15s-30s players buy the software, it wouldn't make sense." These players are part of the stable and get the software for free.


DOKILLO

He looks suspicious but other than that he might be innocent. Looking suspicious from being guilty is very different.


schris7

If you look through his posts' history (maybe time to start deleting some?). He seems very friendly towards kakospaidis and akis_333's alt accounts plus his messages are VERY similar with theirs. I speculate that you are a member of akis_333's stable, you got busted and decided to rant on 2p2 about how unfair the world is.


kkotopoulo$$

Shortly after akis_333 got banned, you appeared out of nowhere on $100 spins playing similar. My first thought was that you are his new account and used Switzerland VPN (I later found out that akis_333 moved to Switzerland). It was you and a couple more accounts. One probably was koh1990. It was like you guys didn't get banned but changed names instead.


Redley

Are you sng player?

Just FYI, there have recently been some Smartspinners (at least 4 I know of so far) who have gotten their accounts frozen and are currently under review. Though tbh I'm like 99% certain none of them are bots...So SS is not immune either to these freezes and clearly they are not working together with Pokerstars.

Also they publish basically every single 100x or higher multiplier (at least on 15s+ AFAIK) and make it public on their news so obviously when they got over 700 members, it may seem like they hit their fair share of big multis. Unfortunately I wish that could be true, but I have played over 30k games and still have not hit a single 100x or higher

akis_333 is making these stories up to make it look like Stars is blundering left and right in their investigation.

This piece of filth has shamelessly defrauded the HUSNG & Spin & Go community of over a million dollars in equity.

things getting interesting around here

Seems very suspicious on your part to know so much without wanting to state your nickname.
I've been very open with my results and who I am,but you behind the anonimity of your account makes it very easy to blame people you do not even know.
And if you are a 100s spin reg why don't you state your name and nickname and talk straight up??

And I'm letting my results speak for themselves after I've been very open to show them.
Ok so that's my story so I entered a greek stable owned and ran by Topografos.If someone has played 100s a lot I think he would recognize his name.Now unfortunately he is banned himself but still remains my coach and we do monthly sessions and reviews my hands once or twice a month depending on my performance.A lot of other player in my stable are in the same situation as me because of the akis relationship.

I AM NOT BOTTING.is it a freaking crime to becvome better in a game that you have put endless hours studying and playing??C'mon now.I'm goin through all this because of an alleged relation with akis who is apparently made fortunes from playing and selling bots.

I've been entirely open and climbing the stakes gradually.I have nothing to hidfe because I am a clean slate alright??

Pokerstars rtequested a playing video from me so I'll go forth and submit it to them and finally prove that I am tottaly innocent.

Amost thge accounts of all the players in the team are getting frozeon one by one and none of us hass to do anything with botting.If you can prove me wrong go ahead I double dare you.

If you worked for criminals you are a criminal yourself... that's science

Im a cash game player, but they froze my account just after my create ...

I have send documentation but it's happen nothing ....1 month now to wait pffff ...

Im french and now i live in Malta and i want to play in cash or in mtt

I have a pokerstars.fr account but i dont use it .... All the other site i have no problem to create account so i dont know why pokerstars is so slow and bad ...

i ve been playing spins 100s since 1.5 year. u can read my threads to see yourself that what u claim about me has nothing to do with reality. my improvement over the months is slight and slow according to my graphs and hud. if u think that my ability is close to that top reg guy then i have to feel flattered. i live and work in zurich since 5 years and my account exists that long as well.

I am not akis lol...

Suspicius why? Just because i posted in a threath from a spanish guy that i tought he was legal?

I been playing spins since 2,5 years, i also played a lot in .es, beein one of the top players in 50s when it was the top stake.



I moved to .com and like 1 year before i climb to 100s, and i have to move down because not was good enough, also bad run, i study and work in my game and climb again a few months ago.

hey yoyoyoyo rompa in da house! unfortunatley not good news...ive been frozen 2 weeks ago same as many players and now im waiting until the investigation ends. i start playing spin and go from 15s like 2 years and a few months ago, crush 15 in a week or two, same as 30s and then in december 2015 grind 60s. since january of 2016 ive been playing 100s playing arround 30-35k spins during the past 2 years winning arround 40-45cev the first year and this year 47cev playing less volume. i just post to keep updating how is going the process and to give support to all these players are being frozze unfairly. for all of them that are now through a desperate and tough moment just want to tell them everything happen for a reason and everything will be alright at the end! so lets be patient and understand that pokerstas are doing their job and in a way is good for us...the only thing is the time it takes...can be desperate...

Good morning, I remain attentive to those who comment here because I feel that this is really unfair but I still do not come to complain that some reason will have pokerstars, on the other hand I ask you to stop judging, it is okay to collect all the messages but look at spinlegends have frozen several who just have a hud you realize they can not play gto xD greetings and cordial hug.

where did all the frozen players come from ? They suddenly started to reg into forum from November 2017 and later.

13k games in 120 days donkillo?

pretty standard. i use to play on 2016 arround 150spins sure. im not being really accurate but some days over 200 some days 100 and something. it just depends on wich kind of grinder you are. you can get same results by grinding not much and have 50+ cev or play more tables at less cev 50-. when rb was on it had sense grind so much. now not to much.

Days played,not total days, around 120 each day during 6 months or someting like that i used to play 2500/month, it was a capture i already had, if interested i can upload captures month from month, i think its a std volume.

You seem legit bro . tell us more of your theories . tell us about your smartspin career? was it hard to run above ev all the time ? couldnt beat the rest regs and u needed big mama stars to ban some ?

as i said i play poker for more than a decade even had a blog in pokerstrategy forums many years ago . https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/...threadid=73825

Its sad to be treated like this and very "unlucky" to get stolen by full tilt because of black friday and now from amaya because in every greek they "see" akis.

Gj stars banning a 30s reg with 34 chips

Gonna lock this. OP, if you want to let me know who you are privately, maybe we can reopen this thread. I like the idea of a frozen accounts megathread, but this is just an anonymous person sharing his opinions (some very negative on certain people) in a speculative way. It's not particularly productive in the current state, even if you may have had good intentions.