Edit: fack too late.

Ive been a big fan of mers since I saw his first vid at husng.com
And for sure- this E-book will help me a lot. But I also dont get the point why hes offering for free!?
Lot of people trying to get better and will make a little bit money with poker. But if we want content we have to pay. And giving his knowledge for free to everybody..hm? Dont know what I should say.
Thers so much content for everybody if theyre willing to pay a bit for it-and I think people should pay for content. Me too!

just my 2 cents

This ebook will be a fantastic advertisement for what will continually be available for pay on HUSNG.com premium section. If you're not already a member, I would definitely recommend that, especially given the content I plan on putting up there over the next few months.

wow, that krumb snatcha post is ****ing insane. epic.

This book will hurt the game whether you choose to believe it or not. I think that you believe that this book won't hurt the game because you greatly underestimate both your ability as a teacher and your ability as a player. You are one of the very best at both and I don't understand how you fail to realize this. Your teaching ability has constantly gotten better over time to the point that something you write could potentially be a disaster for the game.

I personally have benefited greatly from your teachings, I've watched and re watched all of your vids despite constant complaints from fiance to watch something else at night (From watching your vids with me she could prob crush the avg $60s fish reg) I also sought out found and studied tons of theory in which you mentioned in them and I was able to transform from a mediocre reg into a a pretty good player who makes pretty consistent money.

I you for making me a better player but I agree with the best in the game that this book is very bad for hu longterm, especially the higher stakes. I feel like a hypocrite for disagreeing with you because you have helped me soooooo much but I am 100% sure that the info covered in the book is already available to anyone who wants to put the effort in to find it, learn it and apply it correctly. There is no need to spoon feed this info to the general player pool who is too lazy to do so. Just based on the table of contents I can tell this will be a good book a little too good of a book...

ok lets be honest

i wouldnt have ever switch from 6max to hyper hu's and move from 30 to 200-300s in a period of 2 months without mers

if thats not -EV for the actual or old regs, what else?

thanks mers btw

(i worked really mother****ing insanely hard though, and keep doing on my own )


i cant agree more with hustla...

Seems like somebody hasn't read the sections of the ebook on good probabilistic thinking given information uncertainty!

Seriously though, wait for the ebook to come out before you go completely bonkers.

he said he got paid well from husng to write this book. its them that's releasing it free for marketing purposes.

i still wish this isn't freely available to the public. but idk how good a teacher/writer mers is, hopefully its overhyped. nothing against mers.

mentioning Spamzor didn't he stop posting for this exact reason?
Didn't Spam stop posting because he though it just made his life harder? (my apologies to him if I am mistaken, I seem to remember reading that somewhere!?).

I don't like this publication of a free Ebook neither, I think it's unethical but:

1. I don't think a book (as good as it is)can just turn a bad player into a good one
2. There is a lot more to be a winning poker player than knowing how to play well
3. a lot of people won't apply the concepts properly or in the right spot or even understand them correctly (how many people still misunderstand nash for instance or Mers post on overbetting...)
4. HUSNG (even superturbo) are very situational, no fix strategy can be succesfull you have to adapt to villain and it's very hard to teach that in a book (ex: playing ROFL vs a LAP is very -EV)
5. People are lazy, they will read the book but how much will they really study and get out of it?
6. lazy people will use the few tables in the book (I assume they will be at least a ROFL 10-14 BB deep table !?) instead of the concepts behind them. it will make them very predictable (if you know your villain is playing the ROFL table it is not hard to come up with a counter strategy)

So as much as I don't like it, I think it's overhyped and I don't think the Ebook will be SUCH a disaster for HUSNG

You're mistaken.

Just to reiterate on this point, I signed this deal before Black Friday, so I don't think it's that reasonable of an interpretation.

Yeah I'm aware that he was paid. Do you think he could've made more by setting up his own website and selling a thousand books for $250/copy? Why didn't he do that instead then?

I think saying that mersenneary's motivations are purely financial is a bit disingenuous.

I'm probably not intelligent enough to make my point as well as I'd like but it's a bit annoying when people suggest he was only/mostly financially motivated when writing this. I just view it as a guy trying to leave a mark and give something back and some people trying to make out he is bad for doing so just because it doesn't benefit them as much as the majority. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit or i don't know him at all, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Also remember skates when he was contemplating his 20bb manual or whatever he called it and at one point he even said something to the effect of "i want to leave something behind for the 2p2 community". Granted skates wasn't paid at all but do you really think mers received any significant sum for this or was it just a bonus for doing something he already intended on doing?

He's doing something for himself in a sense and the majority will benefit, but a few people may lose out. Those people will in all likelihood not lose out and still be able to make several hundred thousand dollars a year, but that's a whole different matter. I don't agree with poker coaching either but that doesn't mean I'm going to stand in the way of someone trying to leave their mark and do something kind.

Maybe I've read it wrong though and mersenneary is a cold hearted bastard with an agenda, I'm open to that possibility.

genher brings some good points.

Re: all the 'this book is gonna kill husngs/sts' stuff, the game will likely change before the fish become weak regs and the weak regs become super pokers players from stuff like this. Where were STs at the start of 2011 at Stars? Nowhere. Where were Turbos (in popularity) 2 yrs. ago? 2011 is the year of the STs, who know what 2012 or 2013 will bring. Remember we just have to be water. You as a poker player must do what you need to do to find the game, even if it means playing something else. If husngs dies, I'll go back to 6max which I don't like as much as HU but w/e...

Best 2p2 post I've ever read.

Whatever you do, please don't translate this to Russian! Please! I know that isn't fair or right, but please lol!

just my 2 cents about games dying, even if haters are right that these types of books will make the opponents tougher, fish with money will always exist. Also, games being "tougher" isn't right either. STs maybe but thats a solvable game. In turbos/reg speeds, its all about adapting and weak regs are a stubborn bunch. This book might make the norm different, but tougher inferes that your not adapting to it.

Now, back to the 3.50s

My understanding is that the general sentiment is "bring on the Russians", am I incorrect?

what does "bad for the games" mean exactly?

there is no "the games". when ppl say that, i assume they mean "bad for me". (but, for that matter, insofar as poker's a 0-sum game, bad for you means good for someone else...)

Correct. But bring them on without them reading this book! lol!

im going towards give that book to everyone, this game ain't no fun with no competition , wait actually give it out to everyone, but no more bumhunting should solve the problem!
need to eat breakfast in some hours asap + a big big coffee.

bad for the games means that it contributes to a single phenomenon: namely that your opponents on average play higher quality poker...anyone trying to make the argument that games have not gotten worse in the past few years simply loses all credibility. This is the natural evolution of any inefficient market but poker education speeds this process up. I am pretty baffled that anyone disagrees with this insanely simple and patently obvious truth. Mers could have a number of different reasons for writing this book. I'm have no doubt that some are altruistic, some are financial and many are ego-related (this is not a put down, just seems pretty clear yet nobody has mentioned it).

Mers if you're looking for a concrete piece of evidence, there is something called the replacement rate that all online sites have. Basically the average online poker site loses about 10-15% of its customer base every month and the replacement rate is the rate at which the site replaces this consistently depleting customer base. I haven't personally seen these numbers of I was told from a very reputable source that these numbers have been going down pretty significantly for the past year or 2 and that the sites, including Pokerstars, are increasingly worried. Most of the things they've tried, like rakeback and affiliates have failed miserably because they have helped net winners, not net depositers. The main source of confusion seems to be people's massive bias towards the community of net winners rather than the community of overall online players. I'm assuming everyone knows that only a tiny tiny % of online players are net winners. For the average person who deposits 100 dollars, if that money lasted 2-3 weeks 4 or 5 years ago, it might now only last 2-3 days. That is a huge difference and is a result of the games getting much much tougher than they were. Again this is the natural evolution but poker education and software accelerate and exacerbate this problem.

Just played my first ever "real" fish.

Super passive preflop but 100% willing to stick it all-in anytime I want to.
Postflop just check any good hands, overbet/call every single time he has air.

If this is what the fish were like in 2004 maybe this whole training thing is a bad idea.

so "bad for the games" really does just mean "bad for me"?

no value judgment here, just trying to understand what people are talking about.

well I don't think fish losing money faster is necessarily a bad thing.

Haven't considered all implications, but if those $100 lasted 3 weeks in the past, that was $30 going to regs $70 to stars. If now it lasts 3 days, thats $80 going to regs $20 to stars.

There are legitimate arguments against training sites but I don't see how fish being outmatched is one of them. Yes it affects the long term financial viability of the sites, But as a player I would would much rather have my lifetime earnings now then slightly less money spread over many years.

Are you suggesting that being outclassed causes fish to redeposit less? I think that is pure speculation and not a valid argument.