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12-10-2011 , 01:07 PM
I can translate it into Portuguese if you want, but then probably I'll have to rewrite quite a few things since I don't want to provide low quality material to my own country.
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12-10-2011 , 01:09 PM
i think the main impact this game will have will just correct the so obvious wtf are you doing leaks that bad regs have.
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12-10-2011 , 01:22 PM
I'm interested to see what people will say after reading it. I could see a wide range of reactions, including any of the following

-Phew, there isn't that much that you can take from this and just be robotic
-This is kind of a letdown after all that buildup
-OMG mersenneary you're the greatest it's even better than I imagined
-It's much more holistic than I expected, much less "math player" oriented
-But seriously I don't see any gay porn
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12-10-2011 , 01:24 PM
Someone PMed me mentioning that janekaaa is a massive bumhunter or something of the like - I have no idea, but regardless, that kind of proves my point even more, if you can not actually be good and bumhunt all day and have that kind of year at the 100s in reg speed/turbos I'm pretty sure the games are pretty ****ing juicy.
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12-10-2011 , 01:25 PM
i have multiple personality disorder if you want 10 opinions just send me first
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12-10-2011 , 01:26 PM
I have to write it first. brb solving poker
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12-10-2011 , 01:27 PM
Why don't you just slip in some intentional but not obvious blunder and only those who have a grasp of the theorie/math behind it or those who are willing enough to put a lot of work into it will note it. Fishes/reg fishes would still learn something (but risk to get even worse by incorporating flawed strats = games get even juicier) and the more advanced topics would still be out of their reach. And everybody is happy. Problem solved.
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12-10-2011 , 01:27 PM
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I have to write it first. brb solving poker
stop wasting our time then!
Get out of here!
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12-10-2011 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
Someone PMed me mentioning that janekaaa is a massive bumhunter or something of the like - I have no idea, but regardless, that kind of proves my point even more, if you can not actually be good and bumhunt all day and have that kind of year at the 100s in reg speed/turbos I'm pretty sure the games are pretty ****ing juicy.
Superturbos and normal games is just a very different thing. I don't think you can write up normal hu sng's in a book, I think you can write up superturbo's in a pretty short book. Surely it won't make anyone who reads it a winning reg, but it will drastically speed up the process of more regs coming to higher stakes, which eventually will kill it, having 50 regs fighting over two lobbys. I don't get that you don't see it that way, I think you just don't care since you don't play anymore yourself. I mean its not an ethical bad thing to bring out this book but if there's any chance you might return to poker its just a dumb thing to do (obviously its bad for me and other regs, but that aside, I can't blame you for not caring about that since there's equally/more people benefiting from it)
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12-10-2011 , 01:39 PM
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Superturbos and normal games is just a very different thing. I don't think you can write up normal hu sng's in a book, I think you can write up superturbo's in a pretty short book. Surely it won't make anyone who reads it a winning reg, but it will drastically speed up the process of more regs coming to higher stakes, which eventually will kill it, having 50 regs fighting over two lobbys. I don't get that you don't see it that way, I think you just don't care since you don't play anymore yourself. I mean its not an ethical bad thing to bring out this book but if there's any chance you might return to poker its just a dumb thing to do (obviously its bad for me and other regs, but that aside, I can't blame you for not caring about that since there's equally/more people benefiting from it)
I was responding to livb's concern about turbos/reg speeds with that post.

This ebook isn't designed as a "superturbos solved" type of thing. I also think even nosebleed kids will get something out of my perspectives if they read it.

I'm also surprised, I would think the idea of you being unprofitable against 50 regs is one that you would laugh at or at least see as way, way down the road. My own personal opinion is that your poker mind is much better than the people who will want to come up and you'll be happy for any action you get, staying on top for a long time. Getting to "I can break even vs h2olga" kind of level is a pretty massive jump.
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12-10-2011 , 02:29 PM
I'm a lil confused. Is this book geared towards superturbos or turbos/reg speeds?

But Livb is always entertaining, its weird that he only posts to berate tho.
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12-10-2011 , 02:53 PM
so if superturbos get too tough for you go back to real poker red/turbo speed.
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12-10-2011 , 03:07 PM
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I'm a lil confused. Is this book geared towards superturbos or turbos/reg speeds?

But Livb is always entertaining, its weird that he only posts to berate tho.
Book is geared to all husng thinking, slight focus on <25bb examples but plenty of real poker
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12-10-2011 , 03:08 PM
i want to pay you for this ebook, i feel like im stabbing you while dling for free..

wtf srsly stop being such a charity boy
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12-10-2011 , 03:11 PM
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Book is geared to all husng thinking, slight focus on <25bb examples but plenty of real poker
well then.... STOOOOOKKKEEEED
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12-10-2011 , 03:45 PM
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I don't get that you don't see it that way, I think you just don't care since you don't play anymore yourself. I mean its not an ethical bad thing to bring out this book but if there's any chance you might return to poker its just a dumb thing to do
It wouldn't be unethical if he really doesn't see things your way. If he sees things your way and still pretend he doesn't, that's pretty damn unethical (and that's what livb was saying he's doing btw, which mersenneary very politely just ignored).

I personally don't see how he could be pretending and arguing for something he doesn't believe is true. Yeah, he's not playing anymore, but I'm pretty sure he's still got a lot of highstake friends which do play and would get harmed by the power of mersenneary's knowledge spreading into the poker world. (as if this wasn't happening already for quite a long time... yeah, not for free indeed, but still for a quite accessible price)
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12-10-2011 , 03:48 PM
Going through editing:

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Sometimes they succeed and we stop thinking of former top players so highly, sometimes they don’t, and you get someone like Oliver “livb112” Biscuit, who has been at the top of the HUSNG world for many years now.
Me from one month ago was so funny. I wonder what stuff like this I'm not going to catch.
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12-10-2011 , 04:11 PM
inb4 livb replies he didnt like your comment about being a biscuit

Spoiler:
inb4 photoshop, bob ross pls one time?
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12-10-2011 , 04:25 PM
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Whats the worst case scenario? .
I am glad you asked. Let's just call this avg hard working reg Joe. Joe has worked very hard to get where he is today, he is not the greatest reg of all time but he still makes decent money playing $100-$200 HU SNgs. Joe will occasionally visit the forums to brag about his red line and make fun of idiot posters. He won't actually make any strategy posts because he doesn't see the point in giving his winning secrets away for free, why the fk would he do that? He even developed a sick strategy vs fish in 3-bet pots, he under bets both the flop and the turn, then jams the river, hence the sick red line. Then BOOM, December 15, 2011 hits!! Chapter 10 in Morsemenplzz's book, Under Betting

Joe is only mildly concerned, ADAPT OR DIE, that's his motto! So like a true HUSNG warrior, he works twice as hard on his game, analyzing a ton of situations he never analyzed before. When he hits the tables again, he is more confident than he ever was before. His first few sessions do not go as planned, Joe used to comfortably 4-table hypers, but now he is being put in tougher and tougher spots, forcing him to play less and less tbls. After a month of play he decides to cut the number of tbls he plays in half. This, combined w/ the number of hours he spends studying reduces his hourly by 75%. Joe, being the optimist that he is just says, "LOL Variance"

Six months go by, it is summer time, and Joe's hourly has not increased despite how hard he has been working on his game. At this point, Joe is starting to panic, should he switch games, play through the "variance", or quit and go back to school? Joe's girlfriend is not too impressed w/ Joe either and they start to grow distant. After all, Joe did look like crap, he neglected exercising and eating healthy, so he could stay ahead of the poker curve. Dealing w/ severe downswings due to his decreased edge and dealing w/ his girl leaving him, Joe becomes depressed.

Joe can't afford to experiment w/ the good drugs, so he starts to huff any chemicals he can get his hands on. During this time period, he is not playing poker at all, so not gaining any money at all. One night, Joe decides to treat himself to a few beers. Joe gets really fked up, and on the way out of the bar, he thinks he sees Mers and ChicagoRY about 30ft away. In actuality, it was just an overly flamboyant nerd, and a giant. While he bolts after them, he slips on some black ice, cracks his head open, and suffers from brain damage. Joe should be happy to be alive, but he is not, the brain damage messed up his emotions, and now he has to deal w/ uncontrollable anger outbursts.

On top of all this, Joe is now broke, he had to use all his poker winnings to pay off his medical bills and therapy sessions. Consequently, Joe has to move in w/ his parents, and attend school again. As we know, Joe is very hard working, and he also hates the world now, so he devotes most of his spare time creating bombs. He ends up blowing up many buildings is Chicago, killing thousands in the process. Before he is caught, he commits suicide and he leaves a suicide note, blaming ChicagoRY and Mers for all of this.

ChicagoRy, along w/ Team HUSNG.com, attend Joe's funeral. At this time, HUSNG.com is the world's largest training site. They all spit on Joe's grave and have a good laugh about the good ole days. Later, ChicagoRy takes Team HUSNG out for a big fancy dinner. When the waitress hands ChicagoRy the menu, ChicagoRy responds "I won't be needing that." What is the most expensive thing on this menu?" The waitress responds, "ummm...not sure, I never been asked that before." ChicagoRy responds, " Well, now you have been asked, so get to it sweetheart."




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Originally Posted by mersenneary
I'm interested to see what people will say after reading it. I could see a wide range of reactions, including any of the following

-Phew, there isn't that much that you can take from this and just be robotic
-This is kind of a letdown after all that buildup
-OMG mersenneary you're the greatest it's even better than I imagined
-It's much more holistic than I expected, much less "math player" oriented
-But seriously I don't see any gay porn
Hopefully #1 and #4 and #5

Last edited by Krumb Snatcha; 12-10-2011 at 04:31 PM.
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12-10-2011 , 04:27 PM
emotionx and bighusla can pay $200 if they would like, if anybody else wants to be on the pay list just let me know. I'll autograph it for you.
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12-10-2011 , 04:28 PM
hahahaha
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12-10-2011 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Krumb Snatcha
I am glad you asked. Let's just call this avg hard working reg Joe. Joe has worked very hard to get where he is today, he is not the greatest reg of all time but he still makes decent money playing $100-$200 HU SNgs. Joe will occasionally visit the forums to brag about his red line and make fun of idiot posters. He won't actually make any strategy posts because he doesn't see the point in giving his winning secrets away for free, why the fk would he do that? He even developed a sick strategy vs fish in 3-bet pots, he under bets both the flop and the turn, then jams the river, hence the sick red line. Then BOOM, December 15, 2011 hits!! Chapter 10 in Morsemenplzz's book, Under Betting

Joe is only mildly concerned, ADAPT OR DIE, that's his motto! So like a true HUSNG warrior, he works twice as hard on his game, analyzing a ton of situations he never analyzed before. When he hits the tables again, he is more confident than he ever was before. His first few sessions do not go as planned, Joe used to comfortably 4-table hypers, but now he is being put in tougher and tougher spots, forcing him to play less and less tbls. After a month of play he decides to cut the number of tbls he plays in half. This, combined w/ the number of hours he spends studying reduces his hourly by 75%. Joe, being the optimist that he is just says, "LOL Variance"

Six months go by, it is summer time, and Joe's hourly has not increased despite how hard he has been working on his game. At this point, Joe is starting to panic, should he switch games, play through the "variance", or quit and go back to school? Joe's girlfriend is not too impressed w/ Joe either and they start to grow distant. After all, Joe did look like crap, he neglected exercising and eating healthy, so he could stay ahead of the poker curve. Dealing w/ severe downswings due to his decreased edge and dealing w/ his girl leaving him, Joe becomes depressed.

Joe can't afford to experiment w/ the good drugs, so he starts to huff any chemicals he can get his hands on. During this time period, he is not playing poker at all, so not gaining any money at all. One night, Joe decides to treat himself to a few beers. Joe gets really fked up, and on the way out of the bar, he thinks he sees Mers and ChicagoRY about 30ft away. In actuality, it was just an overly flamboyant nerd, and a giant. While he bolts after them, he slips on some black ice, cracks his head open, and suffers from brain damage. Joe should be happy to be alive, but he is not, the brain damage messed up his emotions, and now he has to deal w/ uncontrollable anger outbursts.

On top of all this, Joe is now broke, he had to use all his poker winnings to pay off his medical bills and therapy sessions. Consequently, Joe has to move in w/ his parents, and attend school again. As we know, Joe is very hard working, and he also hates the world now, so he devotes most of his spare time creating bombs. He ends up blowing up many buildings is Chicago, killing thousands in the process. Before he is caught, he leaves a suicide note, blaming ChicagoRY and Mers for all of this.

ChicagoRy, along w/ Team HUSNG.com, attend Joe's funeral. At this time, HUSNG.com is the world's largest training site. They all spit on Joe's grave and have a good laugh about the good ole days. Later, ChicagoRy takes Team HUSNG out for a big fancy dinner. When the waitress hands ChicagoRy the menu, ChicagoRy responds "I won't be needing that." What is the most expensive thing on this menu?" The waitress responds, "ummm...not sure, I never been asked that before." ChicagoRy responds, " Well, now you have been asked, so get to it sweetheart."






Hopefully #1 and #4 and #5
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12-10-2011 , 04:31 PM
cool story bro!
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12-10-2011 , 04:44 PM
i am the greatest reg tho

story made me massively lol
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12-10-2011 , 04:49 PM
I think anyone who suggests that mersenneary has some kind of alternative motive for doing this probably doesn't know him that well. Granted he does have an affiliation with husng and this will benefit them and thus him in a roundabout way (theoretically), but I'd venture to say that he would've created this book of his own accord and the price would've been the same.

If you've ever talked strategy with mers or watched his vids you can see the appreciation he has for those that have helped his game through other similar gestures in the past. Most notably spamz0r and his HH reviews. From talking with mers i always got the sense that he felt indebted to people like spamz and the community as a whole and maybe even inspired by them to do something similar.

He's just someone trying to give back, just so happens that this guy giving back enjoys teaching and has a passion for poker. Anyone trying to disparage that should probably go suck a lemon.

Both livb/h2o and mers make good arguments though and i have no expertise to accurately predict anything long term in the poker world. Nor do i believe either stance is right. It's way too unpredictable imo, i say that in relation to the whole games are dying thing though not the impact this book will have on anything.
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