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12-20-2011 , 08:38 PM
I really enjoyed this ebook, esp chapters on gto and bayes
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12-21-2011 , 07:24 AM
You idiot haters are such idiots. Do you understand that the purpose of these forums is to share information and help grow as a community and get better at the games?

So what you are basically saying is "That's all fine and dandy until you do a really good job, and then it's not cool"

Basically you can only be helpful up til a certain point?! Should we encourage everyone to post except the top 10% of posters? Should we create and develop shill accounts to try to sound intelligent but secretly be posting misinformation to counteract all the smart ppl on these forums

It's like being a talented golfer and going to a golf camp and being pissed that Butch Harmon shows up

Idiot haters are idiots basically
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12-21-2011 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rumnchess
You idiot haters are such idiots. Do you understand that the purpose of these forums is to share information and help grow as a community and get better at the games?

So what you are basically saying is "That's all fine and dandy until you do a really good job, and then it's not cool"

Basically you can only be helpful up til a certain point?! Should we encourage everyone to post except the top 10% of posters? Should we create and develop shill accounts to try to sound intelligent but secretly be posting misinformation to counteract all the smart ppl on these forums

It's like being a talented golfer and going to a golf camp and being pissed that Butch Harmon shows up

Idiot haters are idiots basically
Nicely said sir!
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12-21-2011 , 03:38 PM
thank you for this book. The last chapter (broader game)is really good , and after reading the whold ebook, it seems like we know you at a personal level.
Thanks <3
wish you the best.
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12-21-2011 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rumnchess
You idiot haters are such idiots. Do you understand that the purpose of these forums is to share information and help grow as a community and get better at the games?

So what you are basically saying is "That's all fine and dandy until you do a really good job, and then it's not cool"

Basically you can only be helpful up til a certain point?! Should we encourage everyone to post except the top 10% of posters? Should we create and develop shill accounts to try to sound intelligent but secretly be posting misinformation to counteract all the smart ppl on these forums

It's like being a talented golfer and going to a golf camp and being pissed that Butch Harmon shows up

Idiot haters are idiots basically
haters just got owned
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12-21-2011 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rumnchess
You idiot haters are such idiots. Do you understand that the purpose of these forums is to share information and help grow as a community and get better at the games?

So what you are basically saying is "That's all fine and dandy until you do a really good job, and then it's not cool"

Basically you can only be helpful up til a certain point?! Should we encourage everyone to post except the top 10% of posters? Should we create and develop shill accounts to try to sound intelligent but secretly be posting misinformation to counteract all the smart ppl on these forums

It's like being a talented golfer and going to a golf camp and being pissed that Butch Harmon shows up

Idiot haters are idiots basically
idiot haterz got shut DOWNNNNNNNNNNNN. but..
Spoiler:
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12-21-2011 , 04:26 PM
Quick question: Are games already dead? :]

I've only read throu 1st quarter or so and from what I saw Its basically the same stuff that were posted earlier this year in fast track forums, right?... Good job anyway.

Still dont get why mr. Mers didn't charge at least 20 bucks for it. We are poker players - not poor kids of Africa..

P.S. I hope africans do not read 2+2

Last edited by M.K_LOTD; 12-21-2011 at 04:28 PM. Reason: adding rasist remark lol
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12-21-2011 , 04:31 PM
Mers mentioned it earlier in the thread, but to reiterate, around 2/3 of the book I think was previewed to fast track students in the form of articles, as a bonus to the program.

So yea, like 50-100 people saw 66% of the book in rough draft form a few months early as a bonus basically.

Why would you want us to charge $20 for it? Being free has nothing to do with thinking the playerbase is poor, that's kind of a weird thought, no?

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 12-21-2011 at 04:35 PM. Reason: you can ship $20 to me if you want though
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12-21-2011 , 04:41 PM
Oh forget it, I was kind of trolling. And I was thinking why to make it free if u can make a few bucks instead. But now I get it. Making it free brings more attention to husng.com - more people gets subscriptions. I guess it makes sense.
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12-21-2011 , 04:47 PM
Yes, in the long run free should trump anything made from a small fee.

Versus $100+? I don't know. I'm betting it will over the next few years.

Plus there's nothing saying we won't put together a larger book in 2012-13 and sell it.

No specific plans, but it's always an option.

Worst case, I think we can confidently say the best heads up sng book is and will be sitting on our site for free for years to come.

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 12-21-2011 at 04:49 PM. Reason: knew you were semi trolling that's why i semi needled you!
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12-21-2011 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rumnchess
You idiot haters are such idiots. Do you understand that the purpose of these forums is to share information and help grow as a community and get better at the games?

So what you are basically saying is "That's all fine and dandy until you do a really good job, and then it's not cool"

Basically you can only be helpful up til a certain point?! Should we encourage everyone to post except the top 10% of posters? Should we create and develop shill accounts to try to sound intelligent but secretly be posting misinformation to counteract all the smart ppl on these forums

It's like being a talented golfer and going to a golf camp and being pissed that Butch Harmon shows up

Idiot haters are idiots basically
I was a losing playing for years until I read this book and had my first winning full week in 3 years!

I also now see that I beat a couple of the regs on this board for the first time. Thank You Mersenneary.
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12-21-2011 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Trey Hillman
I was a losing playing for years until I read this book and had my first winning full week in 3 years!

I also now see that I beat a couple of the regs on this board for the first time. Thank You Mersenneary.
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12-21-2011 , 09:22 PM
It was brought to my attention (russian board) that there is a place in this book where Mers analyzes resteals against minraise 13bb deep.

He comes up with following numbers for those resteals,
which are (to quote the book):
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K4o leads the way with -0.25bb , 76s (-0.3bb), T9o (-0.4bb), and J5s (-0.5bb)
I just want to point out that in this situation most hands show plus resteal EV, and those hands aren't actually -EV resteal, and all are +EV reshoves.

here is the result in chips for all hands, for 100 chips blind levels:



As you can see it actually is for K4o: +72.8 chips or +0.73bb, 76s: +0.71bb, T9o +0.59bb, J5s +0.49bb

I was asked whether its Mersenneary who is right or my calculator, to be clear - my calculator is providing correct results for this spot.

To see those results for yourself - follow this link , it loads up this whole situation with those fairly extravagant raise range:
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77+,A8+,K2+,Q7s+,Q4s-Q2s,Q9o+,Q6o-Q2o,JTs,J5s-J2s,J6o-J2o,T5s-T2s,T6o-T4o,95s,94s,96o,95o,85s,84s,84o+,75s-73s,74o+,63s+,64o+,53s+,43s
and call range:
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77+,A8+,K5s+,K7o+,Q7s+,Q9o+,JTs
www.pokericmcalculator.com/icmizer/#YXWX

(switch output to Chip EV to see exact same picture as I provide above)

So yeah calculating resteals is tricky, and ICMIZER does it pretty good. I am unsure which software Mers used, but I also have to mention that its important to take into account Tie% results which return us that BB we posted, not only two (Win / Lose) outcomes. It also affects our EV in this hand.
For example, K4o ties up with that range whole 5.1% of the time.

Here we actually got a situation where very few hands show -EV for pushing (only 10 out of 169 starting hands).

I hope it is interesting, and that this mistake in book can be fixed.
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12-21-2011 , 09:28 PM
Throughout the ebook I reference expectation from the start of the hand, with -1.0bb as equivalent to folding the big blind (notice that your numbers are different from mine by 1bb, that's because we're using a different frame of reference, you're comparing to folding the big blind, I'm comparing from the start of the hand, so as to evaluate the call-fold-jam decision rather than the fold-jam decision). The article also mentions a few times that all those hands are +EV shoves.

the Russians!
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12-21-2011 , 09:36 PM
great stuff, but I don't think it will kill games like some worried about before it came out

I was folding way too much from the BB, hopefully this will take my game to the next level
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12-21-2011 , 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by matt nover
great stuff, and I don't think it will kill games like some worried about before it came out
fyp

I could write a book to have the maximum negative effect on the games. It would be boring as hell. I'd give some standard ranges for all basic <25bb situations against a good reg for any mildly competent person to follow blindly. No need to try to exploit, no need to even be profitable - just cut down on his edge so that scared twatreg only makes 1% from you instead of 5%. No need for any of that garbage about the active poker mind or the broader poker life, either. Just a table of hyperturbo ranges to go to war with in all general spots, neatly organized, to sit back autopilot with and make close to nothing. Here's a near-equilibrium chart for 12bb. Here's a near equilibrium chart for 15bb. Here's a near-equilibrium chart for 18bb. Is it what will help you the most? Hell no, in fact you're pretty much doomed, but the games will be tougher for your opponents to make a lot of money from because of all the randoms who could follow it without knowing what the **** they're doing. SUCCESS.

Man, what a piece of **** that book would be.


Rum nailed it of course. Some people don't want spamz to post HH reviews because it advances publicly available knowledge of poker. Those people are confirmed pansexual.
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12-21-2011 , 10:39 PM
are you drunk? haha
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12-21-2011 , 10:54 PM
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Take an opponent who raises 100% of his hands from the button, and assume that a 3-bet to t150 will cause him
to continue with the following range:
<50.4% range here>

With any two cards, making this 3-bet is already preferable to folding...
Again, this is why a size of 150 can work really well over a t60 open against a wide
button opener
I was going to ask what raise size opponent is using here, but now only thing I still don't know is what blind level is this? 10/20 or 15/30? I'm guessing the latter, but not sure and I suck at math.
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12-21-2011 , 11:28 PM
That actually is an error, mentioned on HUSNG.com (we're investing 120 to win 90, not 90 to win 90). The point stands about how favorable of a situation it is.
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12-21-2011 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by matt nover
are you drunk? haha
Пусть болтают, пока болтается
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12-21-2011 , 11:37 PM
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That actually is an error, mentioned on HUSNG.com (we're investing 120 to win 90, not 90 to win 90). The point stands about how favorable of a situation it is.
If we fold we lose -30 chips. If we raise to 150, 50% villain folds and we win 90, 50% villain call/4bet and we lose 150 = 45 - 75 = -30.

That's equal to folding, no? I'm probably messing up somewhere where I should not be couting the big blind we posted, but I can't find where.
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12-22-2011 , 12:08 AM
Let's do this the non-math way because I'm getting confused myself. We start at 1000 chips, 15/30 blinds.

We could fold, and end up at 970 chips. We've lost our big blind.

Or...

We could 3-bet to 150 and get a fold, which means we end up at 1060.
If we get jammed on/called and we darkfold like a pro, we end up at 850.

Half the time we are at 1060, half the time we are at 850, so on average we are at 955.

Or half a big blind worse than folding.
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12-22-2011 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mersenneary
Let's do this the non-math way because I'm getting confused myself. We start at 1000 chips, 15/30 blinds.

We could fold, and end up at 970 chips. We've lost our big blind.

Or...

We could 3-bet to 150 and get a fold, which means we end up at 1060.
If we get jammed on/called and we darkfold like a pro, we end up at 850.

Half the time we are at 1060, half the time we are at 850, so on average we are at 955.

Or half a big blind worse than folding.
Right, when we 3bet to 150 and get a fold we don't win 90, we win 60, I got confused since in this case we're assuming the 30 chips are still ours. We are then risking 150 to win 60, not 120 to win 90. Thanks

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To calculate, let’s use a 55% opening range (specifically, ProProkerTools’ top 55%, which is much
better for this than PokerStove’s)
I don't have ProPokerTools so I will sadly have to ask, what's the actual difference between both ranges, any way I can get ProPokerTools ranges without actually having the program?

And where do you prefer to be bashed with questions, here or on husng.com?
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12-22-2011 , 12:38 AM
HUSNG.com ebook forum, I think. But anywhere public is good.

I'm not really sure how each tool does it, but in Stove, 22 only makes the top 60%, whereas in propokertools it's a more reasonable 37%. Stove prefers KQs to AQo. etc. I wouldn't worry too much about the exact ranges, the concepts are the most important.
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12-22-2011 , 12:44 AM
I was hoping I would get my chance to go private now
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