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12-04-2011 , 08:38 AM
    Poker Stars, $28.78 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11226452

    SB: 1,550 (77.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): 1,450 (72.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with T Q
    SB raises to 60, Hero calls 40

    Flop: (120) K 7 Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 60, Hero calls 60

    Turn: (240) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 140, Hero calls 140

    River: (520) J (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 200, Hero raises to 666

    Spoiler:
    Results: 920 pot
    Final Board: K 7 Q T J
    SB mucked and lost (-460 net)
    Hero mucked T Q and lost (-460 net)



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    no signficant reads on villain. villain seems ok, opening 80% btn and defend 30% from BB over a 25-hand sample.

    i put villain on two pairs, sets (seems a bit unlikely since i have blockers), 9x with his river sizing. i don think hes ever bluffing in this spot or thin value betting one pair hands.

    i don think i have any SD.

    just fold and don go FPS turning two pair into a bluff against an unknown with no real reads?
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    12-04-2011 , 08:40 AM
    ch/raise turn. as played, fold river, I dont think, that people bets two pair on 4 to straight usually.
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    12-04-2011 , 08:46 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by matvaju
    ch/raise turn. as played, fold river, I dont think, that people bets two pair on 4 to straight usually.
    i don know. but if i were villain, i would def bet KQ for value (sth like 175-200)

    also, i don love c/r turn for value. i think he would b/f a lot of his one pair no str8 draw hands. if he shoves, i don think im getting it in in gd.
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    12-04-2011 , 10:48 AM
    You're missing out on a lot of value by not check-raising the turn, because a lot of villains won't just fold their top pair/worst 2 pair. Sure, it's not lovely when he shoves over your raise but I would still call since some villains are shoving KJ, other random Kx stuff and worst 2 pair.

    Just remember that villain is opening a wide range, so don't give him credit for huge hands immediately.

    As played I'd just fold.
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    12-04-2011 , 12:10 PM
    Do u realize what you rep on the river?
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    12-04-2011 , 01:51 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Siriusz
    Do u realize what you rep on the river?
    Let me quess.. AQ? Which would 3bet pre.
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    12-04-2011 , 02:14 PM
    Unless u're an idiot ure not calling 2 streets w a high. If youve been playing like one so far, villain might consider that u have many Ax in ur range. Otherwise u rep AT pretty much (which would be ******ed to call 2 streets again, but there ARE ppl who do it, way more likely than w Ax at least), and AJ if u 3bet nuts only, so.. Pretty hard to convince me ure strong there. The other point is that if villain thinks ure ******ed you should probably donk river instead of xraising.

    Villain on the other hand is way more likely to have an ace, only supposed argument against that is the small bet on the river, but imo it means pretty much nothing, still way too likely he has it.
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