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12-15-2020 , 02:44 PM

pensodasolo

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PokerStars - 20/40 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 12.37 BB
Hero (BB): 14.5 BB
BTN: 10.62 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2

fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 8

SB bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 3 BB

do you prefer raising 3x,4x or 5x?

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12-15-2020 , 11:28 PM

HokieGreg

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I would flat flop. I don't play spins though, so I'm not that sure. It seems like SB can likely have better AX, and we don't want to raise and fold out our bluff equity. Can flat and still get stacks from TX on a lot of runouts.

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12-16-2020 , 06:26 AM

pensodasolo

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I mostly feared the semibluff. Being a drawy board it is a tough spot to manage calling

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12-16-2020 , 03:18 PM

HokieGreg

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On second thought, I think raising is fine. It's a top value hand and needs protection. I don't know spins...I'm really surprised this isn't just a jam pre.

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12-16-2020 , 06:58 PM

Vvvvv

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Originally Posted by HokieGreg

On second thought, I think raising is fine. It's a top value hand and needs protection. I don't know spins...I'm really surprised this isn't just a jam pre.

You are right.

I don't play spins, I just found some GTO preflop charts.

This is how BBvSB should play 14-12 BB, when SB calls:

This is how SB should play 3 handed 14-12 BB:

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Now question is, how much will the population deviate? Honestly, I don't know as I don't play spins. But this is clearly a preflop mistakes as Hokie said already.

And if don't expect villain to be trappy, than we can raise the flop. But I am not sure, whether it is a right thing to do.

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12-16-2020 , 07:45 PM

HokieGreg

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Nice post.

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12-17-2020 , 05:55 AM

pensodasolo

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raising A2 preflop from the BB makes many flops really hard to play. Plus many players trap from the SB

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12-17-2020 , 07:26 PM

HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by pensodasolo

raising A2 preflop from the BB makes many flops really hard to play. Plus many players trap from the SB

If you ISO this combo, it will always be a jam.

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12-17-2020 , 07:56 PM

pensodasolo

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Originally Posted by HokieGreg

If you ISO this combo, it will always be a jam.

Isn't it a raise to 120 according to GtO?

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12-17-2020 , 08:08 PM

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HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by pensodasolo

Isn't it a raise to 120 according to GtO?

The blinds in his solutions are 5/10.

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12-17-2020 , 08:29 PM

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pensodasolo

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Originally Posted by HokieGreg

The blinds in his solutions are 5/10.

ah thanks, didn't notice it. Are then the shoving ranges so wide even at 13 BB?

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12-17-2020 , 08:54 PM

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HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by pensodasolo

ah thanks, didn't notice it. Are then the shoving ranges so wide even at 13 BB?

I don't know, maybe Vvvv could show vs SB limp at 13/16/19bb. I would bet it's a 100% shove at 13bb and 16bb, and a 50/50 shove at 19bb. I'm just speculating.

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12-18-2020 , 08:33 AM

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Here are the ranges: https://pokersites.io/heads-up-hyper-pre-flop-charts/ (hopefully I can share it here, as it is for free and btw I am not associated with this site, I just find it valuable)

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