Here is the second half of a review I posted a couple days ago. You can find the first half at:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58...rectly-846455/

Please go read there first and post any comments/questions/ideas.

Good. Certainly stick to minraises at 25bb and under. Keep aggressive but remember this guy has been 3 betting a lot.

Fold is standard here. He is aggressive and we haven't shoved much yet so look to soon.

And again he 3 bets us (look at the first half of the review to see more). Remember our options when facing an opponent that 3 bets often. Tightening our open range. Calling some 3 bets and then playing back at flops (which requires deeper stacks). 4 betting or shoving over his 3 bets. Limping some hands to see how he responds. Some guys will 3 bet you light but will let you limp a ton so it can be a great option especially this short. Fold is fine in this spot.

Fine.

Fine. Show him you'll fold some here and there and maybe he'll slow down his 3 bets. Another option is to just get it in way lighter than you might normally preflop (any pair, ace, king, some suited connectors if you have some fold equity).

Kinda wierd that he limped here... maybe a decent pair since you aren't a station to preflop raises like many at these stakes.

Man he really won't let up and you just can't catch a hand!

Yay, we win a pot. Our opponent might be tightening his button range expecting us to fight back or maybe he has 72o

Don't know what to say more. Maybe someone has an idea how to force FTP to give you a hand once in a while.

Well, his second limp in just a few hands so it shouldn't be monsters. 12bb or so is about the max I'd shove over a limp or you are giving him too much of a bonus for limping a strong hand. This does look a little desperate. We can't expect him to call a weaker hand so this is kind of a semi bluff of sorts but isn't that bad. It does seem possibly you are getting outplayed often so gambling isn't a bad idea and we probably have a lot of fold equity here anyways.

Fine.

Wtf, gay, we finally have a hand and he open folds lol Super USERRRRR

Ok.

Fine.

Um, this is bad. He really doesn't have an ace here like ever. He would have 3bet shoved if he did. Half pot cb the flop.

Good.

Two options here. Shoving isn't bad as it's going to play bad postflop and you can easily get called preflop by worse even shoving 15bb. If we do minraise or limp, he has been pretty aggressive so we might be able to get him to put the money in preflop and be ahead in a flip usually.

Good.

Fine.

Hmm, kind of over-repping your hand here. I'm not sure he'll get in with worse though he might with a draw. I see players do stuff like this against me but they don't usually have a plan on the turn/river if they get called. Did you? I probably lead or check call but there are a bunch of overs and flush draw could hit but I dont think this guy is barreling all that much postflop.

Fine.

Fine.

Fine.

I don't think this deck has any aces for you or something.

Fine.

PF is fine. Going for check/call on the flop is fine. After our opponent checks the flop, he usually won't have a draw or pair but he will likely have 2 overs and a 9 counterfeits us. I might bet 1 bb on the turn though check/call isn't horrible. See how I'm "reading" his range based on his actions though? It won't ever be 100% but it is useful to do and use in your tactical decisions.

Fine. Blinds just went up. We are close to shove/fold realm.

Fine.

Fine.

Good.

Standard shove. Kinda surprised he called with QJo.

Ick. I shove over his raise at 20bb. We are way ahead of his range and he'll easily call with worse.

Fine.

Fine.

Shove is obviously +EV but some other options include minraising to induce a light shove that you snap off or limping and playing postflop. I'm not sure at 13bb if I like the shove option over one of the others.

We have seen him stab some flops and not others. I'd really just lead out the flop here. Checkraising looks too strong give you have not been very aggressive. After checking the flop a turn bet is standard.

Fine.

DAMN YOU SUPER USER.

Fine.

Good.

Like earlier 14bb is a bit much to open shove as a standard especially with a hand that strong given that Villain has been 3 bet monkeying (though he might have slowed down). Nice bink on the flip though.

You don't seem to like to take many shots at pots. I'd probably bet the turn with my OE and follow through on the river as opponent could call the turn with OE, high spade and likely doesn't have a Q. You have been playing tight. He knows it and seems competent so use that image some.

Good and I'd look to jam if he 3 bets.

Think about all these free pots you give him. You should get some of them!

Fine.

Again free chips for him limping and betting small on the flop.

ROFL. He flops a boat obviously. I don't know what you are doing though calling the turn. Notice that he bet out really small to try to induce a raise. Also, he has been 3 betting a lot but not A-rag apparently. 24bb is apparently above his threadshold for 3 bet jamming. For most it is around 20bb.

Eh, I think A8s is good enough to raise a limp to 150 or so and betting the flop.

Fine.

I'd minbet the flop or turn. Again a 4 counterfeits you and he has 2 overs.

Spots like this are kinda tough. He won't call with much worse and can bluff checkraise with a lot of OE or gutters. I still think I just go ahead and bet the flop as he still should fold plenty often.

Fine but don't always just give up when you miss.

Limping, not bad. Good flop. Strong hand so raise is fine and stacks are short and board is drawy.

Yay free pot.

Fine.

Ohhh, he did trap a big hand preflop. Good shove over with monster though some might raise smaller to play a pot or induce.

He has been letting us limp some so I'd guess he has a decent hand here to shove.

Yay.

Fine.

Yah I think a call is in order.

And that's the end of round one!

I'd love it if other people posted some of their thoughts on hands and on my analysis.

Thanks for reading.

just skimming, but never think about limping 44 for 15bb

openshoving AK for 14bb is criminal against what I seem to be reading, as stated by OP (just want to emphasize again)

very good by OP to identify that we really really really should be stabbing at some of these boards in limped pots with no showdown value

Once again very helpful!

Reading the hh and seeing your comments made me realize I give WAY to many pots away without resistance. One way I can fix this is by leading more flops; usually I never lead any flops and that tends to transfer control to a good aggressive opponent. Also there were some spots where I definitely should have 3bet shoved pre that I didn't.

One thing I noticed is you suggest is trying lines other than huge all-in bets pre-flop with nut hands (AK, high pairs etc) at ~14bb. Well here is my reasoning for this and you can tell me if it makes sense: basically at ~14bb I don't want to do anything with hands like A3o besides shoving. It's too valuable to fold and minraising gets me into trouble, either because my opponent calls and it plays horribly post-flop or because they 3bet shove. When he *does* shove he probably has me beat a lot...or maybe that's just my misconception? In one hand you suggested raising QT to induce a light shove to call with. idk, it seems like if I make that call I'm behind much more often than I'm ahead. Anyway, the reason I shove AKo, QQ etc is so that my opponent can't just be like "oh he must have a weak ax/ good kx" and has to actually be concerned I have a nut hand.

edit: thinking more about it, against this opponent maybe it's best to shove low pocket pairs (44, 55, etc) and minraise/call shove with Ax, good Kx, high pocket pairs etc. The problem I still run into is when he flats and I have A3o, hit a bad flop, and am not quite committed. But this doesn't happen enough to justify open shoving AK when he 3bet shove so so often.

Very great post, ty

yeh great stuff man. keep going

Nice job OP. It looks like ConcreteD is over adjusting to villain's aggression by playing too fit or fold. I read this in a few days interval so I could be wrong but I don't recall seeing a bluff check-raise. That 2 6 8 flop is perfect to lead onto; a check-raise now is too transparent after how the match has been going.

Looking forward to the next HH!

As I did last time I will now read and post my comments if I have any


#58: Problem is: If we raise as wide as before, villain can exploit as pretty heavily by 3bet shoving here. I don´t mind limping the K4s as we keep dominated 4x hands in the pot and have good showdown equity if the pot stays uncontested until the river. Also we have some solid reads on his play with draws and avoid playing a big pot vs dominating hands like K9s or similar. However we have not had a chance to pick up how villain reacts to limps.

#63: I think another nice line would be to stab turn and make a pretty big (2/3ish) bet on a river like the Q. We haven´t shown much aggression in limped pots OOP, villain will probably call a bet with a weak pair or draw and has to fold a lot on the river. Like 40 on turn and 120-150 on river. If we club the river I expect villain to never bluff at it as he already checked down 4card straight boards, so we get to showdown for free if we club up and our club is best.

#64: I told ya... Also 86o doesn´t play really well with <20BB stacks.

#72: He already folded to a raise in this spot and I would try again, raising to like 130. He will expect a rivershove and never flat with K/Q high. If he calls I think we are crushed and can give up. Would be surprised tho.

#77: Looks like he is "just stabbing" although he checked down a lot and I don´t see a specific reason to c/r here. Lead or cautiosly flat a bet. He doesn´t seem like the guy who will 3barrel bluff with air or a 3. I expect him to underbet the turn if he picks up decent equity.

#83: As I predicted, he gives up with his air after one stab.

#88: Bingo!

#92: I prefer raise/call. I expect him to shove some 78s like stuff to make a call EV0 at least. Maybe we get a flat from some Q8o like dominated hands. I don´t think there is anything better than QTo in his shoving range that would fold to a shove.

#98: Def. minraise/call for reasons I mentioned in the QTo hand.

#101: Zero equity, dry board, "mandatory bet" as mersenneary puts it.

#102: Just dump that trash.

#104: Def. cbet this board. On the turn notice how he bets slightly more than 1BB. Also notice how I predicted that this player type underbets turns with decent equity.

#108: Again, same thing on the turn.

#113: I prefer to raise 150ish pre. We can cbet almost everyboard for 300 and flat all-in for another 300 with perfect odds.

#117: Meh I just fold. It´s not like he is jamming every button.

I would definitely like to see he might respond to limps earlier in the match but an earlier response isn't necessarily how he'd respond now in a different situation. Still, with these stack sizes limping this could be good given how often our opponent is 3 betting.

I didn't look close enough at this one. Yah, I think we should have fired the turn with our no showdown value and 9 high flush draw. Firing the river after firing the turn also looks good since our opponent shouldn't have an ace and only hit the Q if he has like QcX or JcQ.

Not a lie

A turn raise might look pretty fishy especially since the board double paired and we'd be repping a full house. I'd really just bet the flop.

Villain does seem to not be all that aggressive in position postflop beyond a single stab here and there and very little double barreling.

Spot on.

As mers mentioned, shoving AK this deep vs our opponent who is 3 betting a ton is just criminal.

Yep, we gotta fight for some pots.

Yah looking back I think with 13bb we do have a little more maneuverability than just a shove.

I'd like to hear what mers thinks on this one. At a bit over 11bb many players' shove ranges are pretty wide. Look at nash and K9s plays pretty well vs the range.

Thanks for the input!

very good analysis.
just one point: in hand number 92 i disagree with minraise calling.
we saw later that he won't 3bet weak aces, but that was deeper, so i still think a big part of his 3bet shoving range will be Ax, Kx and pocket pairs.

against all of these hands we want a fold much rather than a 3bet shove. the only hands where we want to see a shove are suited connectors/semiconnectors.

so i think it is more likely that we fold out some Kx hands that he would shove over a minraise, than getting 3bet shoved on by trash. both plays will be +EV though, i think.

Yes the shove might fold out some Kx hands which is obviously good. Villain has been pretty aggressive though preflop and we have been folding to most of his 3 bets so far. As he seems to be a pretty competent opponent he should be 3 bet shoving this deep over a minraise with some suited connectory type hands. It's in this 13-20bb range that he would choose to shove those if he was going to. Any shorter and he might elect not to thinking he would get called too often.

just skimmed thru the first 40 or so hands but from what I've seen hero is checking back flop in raised pots and c/f'ing in limped pots way too much; that's a bigger problem than what to do with AK 14bb deep if you ask me

Yah I really should have posted a little recap at the issues with Heroes game. He certainly gives up often and doesn't fight back without a hand ever I think.