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I am trying to find the approximate ev. of flatting different hands at various depths in order to find when the ev. of jamming is greater than flatting. Any suggestions on how to go about doing this without a very big sample size of hands on HEM?

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11-07-2011 , 08:46 PM

mersenneary

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The only way is to lean on someone with a sample. You're not going to be able to approximate it out very well just by trying to run through scenarios and stuff like that. It will obviously also vary dramatically with your opponent's tendencies.

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11-07-2011 , 08:59 PM

TheLoner

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Ok, may one of you kind souls please let me lean on your sample.

How am I going to find somebody willing to share there sample without anything to give in return?

I will share the results of my work with anybody who is willing to help me out with this.

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11-07-2011 , 09:01 PM

mersenneary

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Add 0.5bb for suited.

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11-07-2011 , 09:03 PM

mersenneary

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WAIT A MINUTE

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11-07-2011 , 09:03 PM

TheLoner

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will do

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11-07-2011 , 09:03 PM

mersenneary

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YOU'RE THAT GUY WHO SAID I'M DESTROYING THE GAMES

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11-07-2011 , 09:04 PM

mersenneary

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WHY ARE YOU OFFERING TO SHARE YOUR RESULTS

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11-07-2011 , 09:04 PM

TheLoner

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wait a minute for what

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11-07-2011 , 09:05 PM

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TheLoner

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ill share it with the people that help me

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11-07-2011 , 09:07 PM

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TheLoner

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if I can find anybody

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11-07-2011 , 09:49 PM

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bighusla

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Mers you did kinda destroy the games

You taught a whole new way of thinking to sooooo many dif players

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11-07-2011 , 09:51 PM

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mersenneary

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And Serkules still crushes them all.

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11-07-2011 , 09:57 PM

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bighusla

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yeah he def does. Thanks though cuz I wouldnt be half the player I am today if it wasnt for you.

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11-07-2011 , 10:01 PM

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Chumplestultz

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group hug!

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11-07-2011 , 10:15 PM

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mersenneary

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we're the best! everybody look at how cool we are!

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11-07-2011 , 10:18 PM

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mersenneary

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OP - J8s is probably like 0EV from the start of the hand 20-25bb deep. J8o is like -0.5bb. (naturally, there's plenty of variation, too). You can use those to get a general sense of other hands.

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11-07-2011 , 10:22 PM

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TheLoner

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Ok one hand down, many more to go

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11-07-2011 , 10:29 PM

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mersenneary

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I mean most of my sense of the numbers just comes from getting a general idea from a cluster of surrounding hands. J8s itself in my sample is like +0.9bb. You know why? Because J8s is a fantastic hand. I do even better when it's in diamonds.

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11-07-2011 , 10:32 PM

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TheLoner

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diamonds are a nice suite

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11-07-2011 , 10:33 PM

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TheLoner

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im surprised suited hands are so much more valuable

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11-07-2011 , 10:35 PM

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Kdub

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I'll write a program to compute optimal stop-and-go strategies for the bb given a sb min raise range, but it'll require payment in the form of cookies.

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11-07-2011 , 10:38 PM

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TheLoner

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Cookies coming right up

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11-07-2011 , 11:13 PM

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TheLoner

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if that is what it takes

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11-07-2011 , 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kdub

I'll write a program to compute optimal stop-and-go strategies for the bb given a sb min raise range, but it'll require payment in the form of cookies.

Thanks for the offer if you are serious. But optimal play is not what I am going after here.

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