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03-06-2015 , 05:03 PM

card core

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Villain runs 56/42 with 21% 3bet (667 hands).

Is this a call? What range do you defend here? Villain is somewhat passive and cbets around 50% in 3bet pots.

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Hero (BTN/SB): t1500 75 BBs
BB: t1500 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with J

Hero raises to t45, BB raises to t150

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03-06-2015 , 08:59 PM

ValuetownJL

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75bb deep ye why not, it's suiteeed

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03-07-2015 , 06:57 AM

TootSweets

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I would estimate that this is a good defend against 21% 75bb deep. Interested on other thoughts though.

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03-08-2015 , 12:46 AM

pkratitsbest

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Just don fold. Calling is better than folding. Don mind a 4b to 295 tho

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03-10-2015 , 09:09 AM

cachorromagro

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Whats his preflop stats OOP? He seems tight, i would fold and wait a better spot

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03-10-2015 , 10:04 AM

TootSweets

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Originally Posted by cachorromagro

Whats his preflop stats OOP? He seems tight, i would fold and wait a better spot

Wut?

He's already said, Villain is 3betting 21%.

OP, everything else>folding.

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03-16-2015 , 03:11 PM

cachorromagro

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Originally Posted by TootSweets

Wut?

He's already said, Villain is 3betting 21%.

OP, everything else>folding.

But i would like to kmow his flatting range

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03-16-2015 , 03:13 PM

TootSweets

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Originally Posted by cachorromagro

But i would like to kmow his flatting range

hmmm I can't see how this is relevant if we know his 3bet range?

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03-18-2015 , 06:10 AM

biesas

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Originally Posted by TootSweets

hmmm I can't see how this is relevant if we know his 3bet range?

maybe he flats only 20% and 3bets 21%. so by minraising your btn u printing chips. and this 3b is kinda bigish. if villain plays bad post, like never give up with AKAQ AJ if didnt hit, and stacks off to raise I would call. If villain somehow balanced and in 3bet pots you feel like is guessing game then is not bad to fold - less variance. id better call w 78s, 89s than 7Js

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03-18-2015 , 09:57 AM

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TootSweets

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Originally Posted by biesas

I don't see how it makes a difference if he is flatting 50% or flatting 20%. That doesn't really affect his 3bet range. 21% of all hands is 21% all of hands regardless of his flatting range. People are more likely to be 3betting a polarized range at 21% than a linear one, so say he has a 3bet/calling range of 7% and a 3bet bluff range of 14%. I think this makes it a standard call given the stack depth and postflop playability of our hand.

Also, the 3bet may not be big and may be his standard sizing.

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03-19-2015 , 09:01 AM

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techpoker1

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I prefer to call with 89s, JTs kind of hands

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03-19-2015 , 10:22 AM

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TootSweets

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Originally Posted by techpoker1

I prefer to call with 89s, JTs kind of hands

I think you are probably folding too much to 3bets

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03-20-2015 , 12:51 AM

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Hince

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Not enough info... I haven't played a hand in months. Still, what does he do after he cbets? Is he dbl barreling? What size bet is he cbetting with typically? Does he pay off? Where is his biggest leak? You have a ton of hands on him, this should be an easy situation.

You're flopping a draw in a lot of cases, if he's barreling hard you could be losing too much if you aren't able to steal the hand enough. If you can steal it often, it's a no brainer.

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