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12-08-2010 , 06:20 AM
Second hand with villain so no reads. Do you shove here vs his 3-bet? I considered is as an option, because definitely not folding, as personally I sometimes play similar to villain with air here. Any ideas? If we call shall we bet turn to his check with additional open ended?

PokerStars - $11+$0.50|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): 1,520.00
SB: 1,480.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 3 3

SB raises to 60.00, Hero calls 40.00

Flop: (120.00, 2 players) 5 2 5
Hero checks, SB bets 60.00, Hero raises to 180.00, SB raises to 420.00, Hero calls 240.00

Turn: (960.00, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, SB checks

River: (960.00, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, SB checks

2nd hand in game. First I 3-bet pre with KQs and he went insta all in
What is our calling range here? Not sure if we can call it vs unknown

PokerStars - $11+$0.50|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): 1,385.00
BB: 1,615.00

Hero posts SB 10.00, BB posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has A J

Hero raises to 60.00, BB raises to 1,615.00 and is all-in, Hero ???

Just a few hands before so no special reads on opponent. Is random villain doing it with anything else than nuts?

PokerStars - $6+$0.25|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: 1,380.00
Hero (BB): 1,620.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 9 K

SB raises to 40.00, Hero calls 20.00

Flop: (80.00, 2 players) 7 2 3
Hero checks, SB checks

Turn: (80.00, 2 players) T
Hero checks, SB bets 40.00, Hero raises to 92.00, SB raises to 260.00, Hero calls 168.00

River: (600.00, 2 players) A
Hero checks, SB bets 1,080.00 and is all-in

Also very beggining of the game so no reads. I feel like calling river is burning money? I feel pretty bad about leading this flop and continuing with it on turn after his call. Much better would be c/r flop and b/f random turn and give up river, right?

PokerStars - $11+$0.50|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: 1,550.00
Hero (BB): 1,450.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 9 K

SB calls 10.00, Hero raises to 50.00, SB calls 30.00

Flop: (100.00, 2 players) K 6 7
Hero bets 70.00, SB calls 70.00

Turn: (240.00, 2 players) J
Hero bets 160.00, SB calls 160.00

River: (560.00, 2 players) T
Hero checks, SB bets 300.00, Hero calls 300.00

Spoiler:
SB shows 6 K (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes) (PreFlop 31%, Flop 72%, Turn 83%)
Hero mucks 9 K (One Pair, Kings) (PreFlop 69%, Flop 28%, Turn 17%)
SB wins 1,160.00


Here the guy raised me once with bottom pair, and slowplayed top set in position. He seems to play quite good. Any leaks in this line?

PokerStars - $11+$0.50|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): 1,550.00
BB: 1,450.00

Hero posts SB 10.00, BB posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 9 8

Hero raises to 60.00, BB calls 40.00

Flop: (120.00, 2 players) 5 8 9
BB checks, Hero bets 80.00, BB calls 80.00

Turn: (280.00, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets 190.00, BB calls 190.00

River: (660.00, 2 players) Q
BB bets 420.00, fold

What about the line here vs over aggressive opponent? He bets/raises nearly anything. Worth guessing game?

PokerStars - $11+$0.50|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): 1,694.00
SB: 1,306.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has 8 K

SB raises to 60.00, Hero calls 40.00

Flop: (120.00, 2 players) T 9 J
Hero checks, SB bets 40.00, Hero raises to 106.00, SB calls 66.00

Turn: (332.00, 2 players) K
Hero bets 190.00, SB raises to 400.00, Hero calls 210.00

River: (1132.00, 2 players) A
Hero checks, SB bets 540.00, Hero calls 540.00

Thanks in advance for answers
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12-08-2010 , 06:36 AM
#1 33 lead flop
#2 AJ fold
#3 9K ship turn
#4 9K check back pre, as played bet/fold river
#5 98 you played it fine
#6 8K think I lead flop, as played fold turn
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12-08-2010 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Crap$hoot
#1 33 lead flop
#2 AJ fold
#3 9K ship turn
#4 9K check back pre, as played bet/fold river
#5 98 you played it fine
#6 8K think I lead flop, as played fold turn
yeah lets set some money on fire
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12-08-2010 , 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
yeah lets set some money on fire
LMAO. flat is def better than ship.
edit: was lazy and just finished reading the hand, call the river. and be ready to say fml.
edited again: (sorry but Ive been going over HH for like an hour and been drinking scotch the whole time ) but I think its safe to assume that villain never has the nut flush here for two reasons 1)even my grandmother knows to raise an ace preflop when headsup, and shes terrible at cards! and 2) why would he overbet ship the river which is basically a "get the **** out of this hand because I have a better hand than you but Im really doing this to scare you out of the hand!" play. If he had an ace dont you think he would bet it for value and not just straight ship it? snap call/victory dance imo.
edited again after watcing evil homer...swap victory dance for evil homer dance!

Last edited by raised by jews; 12-08-2010 at 07:18 AM.
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12-08-2010 , 07:07 AM
also BBee this has been driving me ****ing crazy... Ive been a simpsons fan since I was like 6 and your avatar looks soooooo familiar, which episode is it from?
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12-08-2010 , 07:13 AM
s4 ep12 whacking day

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12-08-2010 , 07:17 AM
omg whacking day!!!!! soooo great!
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12-08-2010 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by raised by jews
LMAO. flat is def better than ship.
edit: was lazy and just finished reading the hand, call the river. and be ready to say fml.
edited again: (sorry but Ive been going over HH for like an hour and been drinking scotch the whole time ) but I think its safe to assume that villain never has the nut flush here for two reasons 1)even my grandmother knows to raise an ace preflop when headsup, and shes terrible at cards! and 2) why would he overbet ship the river which is basically a "get the **** out of this hand because I have a better hand than you but Im really doing this to scare you out of the hand!" play. If he had an ace dont you think he would bet it for value and not just straight ship it? snap call/victory dance imo.
edited again after watcing evil homer...swap victory dance for evil homer dance!
If he sees me calling 3-bet(!) turn easily why wouldn't he just shove with Ah there? Were I in his shoes I would play exactly the same looking at turn action. If I call 3-bet turn on such a board what is my range? I don't imagine myself to have anything worse than Jd/Qd here. (Maybe set or 2pair wishing to just get incredibly lucky on river and get full house). Looking now at this hand I guess small 4-bet and fold to shove could be better play on turn.
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12-08-2010 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by crazyriver
If he sees me calling 3-bet(!) turn easily why wouldn't he just shove with Ah there? Were I in his shoes I would play exactly the same looking at turn action. If I call 3-bet turn on such a board what is my range? I don't imagine myself to have anything worse than Jd/Qd here. (Maybe set or 2pair wishing to just get incredibly lucky on river and get full house). Looking now at this hand I guess small 4-bet and fold to shove could be better play on turn.
no. never. it gets absolutely no value at all. you make significantly more money by being weak and calling and letting him spew river. thats why we were making fun of the other guy for saying ship it. there are no hands that are worse that will call you, therefore you lose value by 4bing (which looks sooooooo much stronger than shipping) than you do by just flatting. Also, by flatting here you have to accept that you are calling any river or else your dumb for flatting I really really hope that you called, and if you did im assuming that your being results oriented in your response and that he had the Ah miraculously. If he did just realize that that is at the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay top of his range and that by calling here you are actually making money in the long run. That being said, you clearly have to work on your "evil homer" dance!
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12-08-2010 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
s4 ep12 whacking day

also, ive gone back and watched this like 4 times now!!! so great!!!!
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12-08-2010 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by raised by jews
no. never. it gets absolutely no value at all. you make significantly more money by being weak and calling and letting him spew river. thats why we were making fun of the other guy for saying ship it. there are no hands that are worse that will call you, therefore you lose value by 4bing (which looks sooooooo much stronger than shipping) than you do by just flatting. Also, by flatting here you have to accept that you are calling any river or else your dumb for flatting I really really hope that you called, and if you did im assuming that your being results oriented in your response and that he had the Ah miraculously. If he did just realize that that is at the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay top of his range and that by calling here you are actually making money in the long run. That being said, you clearly have to work on your "evil homer" dance!
By 4-betting I exactly wanted to represent very strong hand which could be only raised by Ah I guess, but that's a bit silly I'd say...
Yea, that's exactly what happened. He had even Ahxh :P Your're right.. How the f*** could I ever fold second nuts in hu? O_o (possible?)

Btw. Homer dance is pretty awesome
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12-08-2010 , 10:09 AM
wow im a donk because I just reread the hand and I thought he had just limped preflop. Sorry, its beena looooong night and Ive been drinking quite a bit . anyways, still call on river imo.
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12-08-2010 , 10:49 AM
Hi,

Hand 1 Is there anything wrong with just calling the flop? I don't understand the big re-raise on the flop. Isn't this a standard WA/WB spot?

Hand 5 I think its well played, but it sort of intrigues me. Do we ever bet stronger on the turn here? The way the hand is played I figure Villain has either 2 pair betting for value or has luckboxed a random T straight. Do we ever call this river?

Hand 3 I need to understand this a bit better. As played I thought it was an auto call on the river. Figuring the call on the turn was an inducement for the shove. RBJ is saying we open up the bluffing range on the river by flatting the turn, which seems like a good idea to gain value against aggro type players. However, don't we lose value when we check the river and they check behind? Also, isn't shipping the turn better at this Buy In against Villains who are not trying to out level us?
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12-09-2010 , 07:05 AM
In hand 1 we don't like soooo many turns and rivers that I guess checking back is not the best idea.

In hand 5 I think betting more can discourage him from calling with Tx or 1pair or any other possible draw. And I don't think we're ahead here on the probably worst river possible :P

In hand 3 we can bet pretty small river to induce a bluff, because betting strong we are called mostly be really thin range. Maybe Q-Jd and raised only by Ad or bluff. And I think it's villain dependant if we check or bet river here.
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