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Old 03-08-2012, 07:25 PM   #251
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Re: ** emotionx vs hyi_vam hu4rolls 10k bet **

ye i must agree this is pretty trash to follow, i dont think redline or green would deviate that much after 1k games if one has a solid edge , its going to be shown for sure, but for same reason i thought it was +ev to take it with all the terms he said so went for it
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:31 PM   #252
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just posting to confirm i checked and those numbers are right
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:33 PM   #253
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looking at chips ev would be better, because you will always be able to compare your results without any troubles (b/c chips ev dont count rake, which you usulaly forget of, when trying to compare ev of each other's results)
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:33 PM   #254
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looking at chips ev would be better, because you will always be able to compare your results without any troubles (b/c chips ev dont count rake, which you usulaly forget of, when trying to compare ev of each other's results)
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:37 PM   #255
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ye i must agree this is pretty trash to follow, i dont think redline or green would deviate that much after 1k games if one has a solid edge , its going to be shown for sure, but for same reason i thought it was +ev to take it with all the terms he said so went for it
You realise that you are making this hard to follow not me right?

My results were correct on the spot. You had to waste a lot of everybody's time to figure yours out.
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:43 PM   #256
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wasnt intentional and if u never requested to play on redlines this wouldnt even come into account since u can simply sharkscope both players

to make it easier to the crowd basically hes up 3.x buy ins so in 87 games lets say we are 42-45 ish (of ev) atm , gl tomorrow, hitting bed
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Old 03-08-2012, 07:49 PM   #257
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Re: ** emotionx vs hyi_vam hu4rolls 10k bet **

Ok, its cool man, I'm very tired of fighting to be honest.

I admit, yes, redline makes it less exciting and more complicated.

But it is what it is. In any case, good night, and good luck tomorrow.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:32 PM   #258
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Maybe next time I will just coinflip for bankrolls, that more entertaining then trying to double your roll by grinding a lot of poker for a lot of month isn't it?
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:41 PM   #259
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yea anyone who booked w me its obv redline whatever results they come up with..glgl
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:27 PM   #260
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There is no ICM EV in Heads up Sit&Go's. 500 chips = $60. Always. Regardless of blind levels and such stuff. In 6-max SnG's yeah your ICM EV changes even when youre not in the hand sometimes. Thats why redline propbet would really not even be possible in those. Only in HU it is.
No. 500 chips = $58.74. Chips don't magically retain rake value. True there is no ICM in HU. However, saying that "in 6max sngs your ICM EV changes even when you're not in the hand sometimes" suggests that you probably don't understand the red line and/or ICM fully. Needless to say, not understanding the red line and insisting on a $10k bet based on the redline is pretty lol.

Additionally, Ive noticed semi-occasionally that HEM imports stars HH incorrectly or has an incomplete game or 2 per session (as seems to have happened with emotionx) therefore throwing off your red lines quite significantly. Even if just 1 hand incorrectly imports for 1 or both of you and the end of the game records correctly, you may never find it. Using stars HHs at the end of the bet will be mandatory to avoid all of this, but still not 100% failsafe (although pretty close). Just another reason doing a redline bet is silly.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:55 PM   #261
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agree with all of the above,

btw, imo you still cant say 500 chips is plain $58.74 (very good estimation for sure though), there are quite a bit factors in sngs that makes it impossible to be absolutely plain pure cEV=$EV like cash (blind increases for example), in general you can safely say cEV=$EV in husngs, but if you're a purist, it wont match absolutely 100%, at least never did for me when i translated t500 chips =buyin-rake
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:01 PM   #262
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gl emo!
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Old 03-08-2012, 10:22 PM   #263
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this has got so complicated to calculate imo, definitely agree with using the green line instead, gl emo
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Old 03-08-2012, 11:29 PM   #264
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EV line makes this a test of skill. Greenline makes this a $10k flip.
EV line just makes this less of a $10K flip, but it is more accurate, but less fun, but reasonable, but tedius.

I must say, I'm quite enjoying this hu4rollz. It's unique. BadMoFu, u r one interesting dude!
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:29 AM   #265
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Yes, 500 chips =/= $60, the dude wo said it is correct. It equals $Buy-In minus Rake. I dint go into this specifec detal beeceause I didnt want to complicete ****.

Also, lo, at yopu for not thinking I understabd sng ev зуаусеб Im starting an EV insurance website, will be up it ~2 moth, iunderstand EV in sn g better thebn you culd ever imagine, I have sone dozens of hours od reserach on ot/

An lastly, lol at all the people who bet on motion. he has nochance. I can be modest when Im sober ad say howmim afraid of the guy and stiff, but he is lol so so very delusional. lol. love thatb 90% os still купашыруыю And

Delirium gets you ****ed up..

**** the haters
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Old 03-09-2012, 02:56 AM   #266
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This is a joke. BadMoFu you just ****ed up a perfectly good hu4rollz with your EV line BS. I hope you get crushed, kill it emotionx, you're a superstar.
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Old 03-09-2012, 03:08 AM   #267
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Yes, 500 chips =/= $60, the dude wo said it is correct. It equals $Buy-In minus Rake. I dint go into this specifec detal beeceause I didnt want to complicete ****.

Also, lo, at yopu for not thinking I understabd sng ev зуаусеб Im starting an EV insurance website, will be up it ~2 moth, iunderstand EV in sn g better thebn you culd ever imagine, I have sone dozens of hours od reserach on ot/

An lastly, lol at all the people who bet on motion. he has nochance. I can be modest when Im sober ad say howmim afraid of the guy and stiff, but he is lol so so very delusional. lol. love thatb 90% os still купашыруыю And

Delirium gets you ****ed up..

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Lol at post
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Old 03-09-2012, 04:33 AM   #268
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Yes, 500 chips =/= $60, the dude wo said it is correct. It equals $Buy-In minus Rake. I dint go into this specifec detal beeceause I didnt want to complicete ****.

Also, lo, at yopu for not thinking I understabd sng ev зуаусеб Im starting an EV insurance website, will be up it ~2 moth, iunderstand EV in sn g better thebn you culd ever imagine, I have sone dozens of hours od reserach on ot/

An lastly, lol at all the people who bet on motion. he has nochance. I can be modest when Im sober ad say howmim afraid of the guy and stiff, but he is lol so so very delusional. lol. love thatb 90% os still купашыруыю And

Delirium gets you ****ed up..

**** the haters
This post proves he's russian. Knowing that the bolded part will never happen.
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:20 AM   #269
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This post proves he's russian. Knowing that the bolded part will never happen.
His sn is redline Russian. Not sure too many ppl here will get how good it is. GL Hui_Vam!
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:30 AM   #270
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His sn means "eh dick with you!" or something.
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:32 AM   #271
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Yes, 500 chips =/= $60, the dude wo said it is correct. It equals $Buy-In minus Rake. I dint go into this specifec detal beeceause I didnt want to complicete ****.

Also, lo, at yopu for not thinking I understabd sng ev зуаусеб Im starting an EV insurance website, will be up it ~2 moth, iunderstand EV in sn g better thebn you culd ever imagine, I have sone dozens of hours od reserach on ot/

An lastly, lol at all the people who bet on motion. he has nochance. I can be modest when Im sober ad say howmim afraid of the guy and stiff, but he is lol so so very delusional. lol. love thatb 90% os still купашыруыю And

Delirium gets you ****ed up..

**** the haters
is my russian too rusty or do those russian words not make any sense?

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if you really think up to this post you were able to cover up the point that you feel like a huge favorite you´ve been drunk for a looong time.

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Old 03-09-2012, 07:09 AM   #272
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lol at saying you understand maths better than most regs ( yes , you said this once, i wont forget) yet you say i have no chance to win this hu4rollz
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:30 AM   #273
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take your bad attitude elsewhere Emot, u're just sad you can't luckbox a win through all in winnings anymore. Go back to breaking even at the 200s and losing EV to Hyi_vam at the 60s ok?

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Old 03-09-2012, 07:33 AM   #274
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200s and 300s are tough!
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Old 03-09-2012, 07:57 AM   #275
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wow this whole redline stuff is ridic.

Whatever hope you guys have a hard and fair fight, gl

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