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draws/22 early vs 3b draws/22 early vs 3b

10-02-2012 , 05:53 PM
IDK what to do, get it in or play it small

    Cake Poker, $0.72 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14059392

    SB: 520 (26 bb)
    Hero (BB): 480 (24 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 3
    SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

    Flop: (80) J 7 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets 80, SB raises to 160, Hero raises to 440 and is all-in, SB calls 280

    Turn: (960) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (960) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 960 pot
    Final Board: J 7 5 Q K
    SB showed Q A and won 960 (480 net)
    Hero showed 6 3 and lost (-480 net)



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    villian is super tuff, he said i should of 4b shoved pre or fold,


      Cake Poker, $0.72 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
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      Hero (SB): 510 (17 bb)
      BB: 490 (16.3 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
      Hero raises to 60, BB raises to 150, Hero calls 90

      Flop: (300) 3 T J (2 players)
      BB bets 150, Hero raises to 360 and is all-in, BB calls 190 and is all-in

      Turn: (980) Q (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: (980) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 980 pot
      Final Board: 3 T J Q 4
      Hero showed K Q and lost (-490 net)
      BB showed J J and won 980 (490 net)



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      I can i profitable call this, or profitable shove, and race Ax's readless, or fold







        Cake Poker, $0/$0 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
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        Hero (SB): $500 (0 bb)
        BB: $500 (0 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 2
        Hero raises to $40, BB raises to $100, Hero raises to $500 and is all-in, BB calls $400 and is all-in

        Flop: ($1,000) J K 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        Turn: ($1,000) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: ($1,000) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $1,000 pot
        Final Board: J K 8 6 T
        Hero showed 2 2 and lost (-$500 net)
        BB showed 9 9 and won $1,000 ($500 net)



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        so i am really new and was running hot +25bi. In last 3 days ive only ran into hands that were 50/50 or drawing dead, lol thinking about changing my name to the 'fosette' ....only 200 games +3 buyin(not counting rb)...husng are you thinking of adding a 'micropack' HT, something to build foundations?
        draws/22 early vs 3b Quote
        10-02-2012 , 06:10 PM
        Hand 1: how about call flop/shove turn? Might fold out some better flush draws. Just a thought.

        Hand 2: I do prefer shoving pf, his sizing is scary but I assume he does this with more than just pure nuts. You don't have enough for fold equity over his cbet so it really sucks to whiff the flop and decide if K high is good enough.

        Hand 3: looks fine to me vs a solid player.
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        10-02-2012 , 06:15 PM
        c/r flop
        KQs i 4bet pre, like snap with these stacks.
        openshove 22
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        10-02-2012 , 09:23 PM
        Openshove those 22 for sure - they are just useless in any other scenario unless your opponent just fit or folds every flop easily.

        But as played - i would fold his 3bet and not ship over it as we flip at best now?
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        10-02-2012 , 10:09 PM
        ok thanks
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        10-02-2012 , 10:36 PM
        I think h1 leading that sort of flop is ok if you are planning on b3b in which case i'd lead 30-40ish
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        10-02-2012 , 10:40 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by callme
        Openshove those 22 for sure - they are just useless in any other scenario unless your opponent just fit or folds every flop easily.

        But as played - i would fold his 3bet and not ship over it as we flip at best now?
        Not a huge fan of folding, there's a dead money in the pot to compensate for it and we might have some FD as well.
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        10-03-2012 , 12:12 AM
        According to my calculations and assumptions:
        - When Villain has a spazzy 3bet Range of 25% and a calls the jam 16,29% (33+, A6+, KQ) we need 38,5 % equity which makes it a profitable shove

        But here comes the problem, when we dont get enough folds, our necessary equity goes up fast. Assuming Villain never folds to a 4bet jam we would need 46 % in equity to breakeven and as depending on how nitty villain 3bets us we just have a hard time bringing our 22 up to 46 % against his calling range...
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        10-03-2012 , 12:24 AM
        i remember 3 bet shoving low pp vs regs who have a 20ish% 3bet range playing 100 deep cash
        I don't think its possibility that bad 25 deep even worst case
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        10-03-2012 , 12:42 AM
        The wider Villain opens the more profitable it is to 3bet (shove) him wide. But especially with our lower end of our range we require some fold equity to do that. But in this case, the scenario is that we face a 3bet, which makes his range stronger and therefore we cant count on too much fold equity anymore.
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        10-03-2012 , 05:44 AM
        1st hand:
        I'm not a fan of a pot sized lead there as you fold out all his air and if he raises it's mostly TP,overpairs or a better FD. Also donk smaller, 40-50. He might raise your lead with some air but unlikely. If he minraises or 2.5x your lead I'm happy 4bet jamming as you have FD+gusthot and you are flipping 50%. He might fold to 4b with a 7x or air.

        However, I would prefer to checkraise that flop since he cbet that board with his entire range and you are likely to get an additional bet from him. If he potbets than I'd just cr jam it. If he 4bets our cr than I'm not happy calling but with the money already in the pot you are priced in.

        2nd hand.

        As it's played I think it's fine. Most villains at the lower stakes have a tight calling shove range so I'm not such a fan of 4betting it and prefer flatting there as KQ will play well postflop.(I would take my decision depending on the villain here, if he's 3betting you a lot or he's very agro than I would hapily 4b, if he's passive I would prefer a call)

        3rd hand.

        22 is a openshove or minraise fold. Villains at lower stakes won't 3b you wide so I'm not really a fan of 4b 22-33 preflop and I would just minraise fold them or try to take it on the flop with a cbet. 4b pre is bad at these stack sizes and stakes as you are either flipping or crushed.
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        10-04-2012 , 09:27 PM
        Hand 1: If you're going to lead the flop I'd lead for t40-50 instead of a pot sized lead although I think check raise shoving is a superior play.

        Hand 2: Clear 4 bet shove and it's not even close. Although villian's 3 bet sizing looks a bit nutted KQc is just too powerful to call 3 bet's preflop with at 16bb effective stacks.

        Hand 3: Shoving 22 for 25bb's is never going to be bad, however depending on a villian's tendencies min raising and shoving over a non all in 3bet may be a superior play if we can induce enough folds. Readless I would just shove it 25bb's deep
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