22 hands in. Villain had been pretty tight and passive preflop. Postflop he seemed a bit looser and had 2x check raised a wheel draw on a dry Qxx flop a few hands previously. I took a c/c lead line because villain cbet king high on a paired flop then checked back ott in a previous hand and I felt there was more value to be had by betting to get called by draws, pocket pairs or ace high.

Given the reads I have is this line OK in this spot?

When villain raised the turn I felt there could easily be draws in his range and I wanted to keep them in so I flatted. Then otr I expected him to check back if he paired the ace so I bet for value.

Anything wrong with my thought process here? And as played I gotta call the river jam right? I feel like I may have made some mistakes in this hand but I'm not sure.

Thanks

I think it's fine as played. His river shove looks really strong, but you can get away from 9x in this spot. WP.

OP, if you're targeting draws on the turn, what would be the best way for us to extract value?

Just saw the AJs hand in another post. In general, try to bet larger on the turn and possibly on the river too. It's hard to get into an opponent's head and apply pressure with small bets.

An half-pot bet means your opponent is getting 3:1 and only needs 25% equity to justify a call, in a vacuum.

i think checking river is probably better because i dont think we extract value from donking river in general and you said he may c/r his draws so let him continue betting them and he might try to rep the ace also.

nah

Are you saying click it back? Wasn't sure if this would look too strong.

This is a line I don't usually take but it seemed to fit the villain. I chose half pot because I thought villain would likely perceive it as weak and possibly spazz and I wanted to give him odds to continue with a worse hand.

Is a c/c lead line OK in general vs this opponent on this board?

Yeah I think your right, I thought this might have been a mistake. Thanks

Not sure If this is aimed at me or another post but its hardly helpful :/

is there anything wrong with c/r flop, or 3b! turn as played. I love playing fast vs random fun players

Its easy to get into the mindset of lets play this made hand fast but you should be thinking how do i extract the most value and how does his range on flop turn and river looks like to extract value from.

yeah

I was advising to 3bet the turn as played.

All draws will call the turn. If he has the A-high flush draw, he likely will only call the turn (he has good showdown value). A2, A4 would also call. I would also just call with A3 and A5 but maybe that's just me.

For that reason, the Ace on the river is pretty much a blank card. If villain misses, the board really sucks for a bluff. Maybe 4x will try to make you fold a chop but even then, why would he raise the turn with K4 (or even A4).

This is not the best board to bluff catch imo. I would rather play it fast.

FWIW, I think you know you're beat on the river but you called because of your seemlingly fishy sizing.

Lame :/

Thanks Quimp.

Makes sense.

Not sure about the river though, can't we expect most villains to do this with worse 9x also given my line? Making a call mandatory?

I should add that I chose to bet big as I felt villain perceived my range as weak, there's Ax in his range so I bet on the large side to make it look like a bluff figuring he wouldn't be able to fold if he hit it.

That was my thought process anyway, not sure if it's flawed.

I don't think villain perceives your range as weak though. It is unlikely you would donk the river 480 with a busted draw or Ax. Your hand is rather transparent.


Edit: the more I look at it, the more it looks fine vs a spazzy player who can't let go. So hm... would be nice to have others' opinion.

Line is fine and could be best vs this guy (I have less idea than you), but certainly looks fancy and requires some strong reads.

Although- if villain is never bluffing river I don't see why you wouldn't 3bet turn, especially since he has draws with which to call ott.

Agree with the best way to get value is 3betting ott, as played we can't fold otr once we bet with those odds and our holding.

I think its fine just have to fold the river. He is repping the nuts and three 9s is pretty much crushed here. I know it sucks folding three 9s... Don't blame you for calling.