This one finally makes 2+2 worthwile

Live odds haven't been adjusted yet. You could try live. It will be years before we develop live dealing techniques capable of delivering poker's true GTO preflop odds. Humans simply cannot replicate the complex randomness of today's computers, not with the riffle shuffle anyway.

Peeps move along, teddy has this one.

finally some good info on these forums

so if equilab isn't accurate, what program is, and, has PT4 or HEM adjusted?

If you didn't know, Equilab somewhat recently released a cheap subscription-based software called Power Equilab that accounts for these differences, in addition to having some extra features. Check out the free trial. Not sure about HEM/PT4, you could consider posting in their threads over in the Software section to ask.

thanks dunce, i did ask PT4 about it, they said the OP is being trolled.....

Denial is the first step.

ran about 20+ different simulataions and found no difference between poker-equilab, pokerstategy-equilab OR PT4, all results resulted in the same RESULTS.......

Equity calculators like Equilab and Poker Stove have nothing to do with GTO, neural science, etc. GTO solvers deal not only with cards but also bet sizes, which are not part of an equity calculation.


Through enumeration or simulation, calculators deal out cards to showdown accounting for cards already dealt and count how many times each hand or range wins. There are only two ways one will see differences in their results assuming an adequate simulation size and sampling size; 1. The equity calculator is making mistakes (e.g., wrong algorithm) or 2. The calculator assumptions are violated. The former is very unlikely after all these years with different calculators providing the same results. The latter includes such violations as players folding or hands in ranges are unequally weighted, therefore being errors in application rather than of theory.

You have brilliant sense of humor and aren't socially awkward at all, are you?

this thread is too gold

Yeah the problem is you didn't use FGS,, try that and you'll see.

hahaha thread delivers

Thread definitely delivers.