Yeah I asked them to allow for a smarter way to define custom stats. For example, the custom stats for stack bubbles are all similar, they just differ in the stack thresholds, so if they added a way to parameterize a custom stat it would be very easy to define a bunch of similar stats.

Also if they made a textual file format for custom stats it would be very easy to define them using a speedier external editor and then just validate them with PT4.

They said they have higher priorities atm :-(

Ha haa, I had banned my self by changing the email address.

Like Dave said, it's quite a bit of dull work going through all the custom stats one by one. But, yeah, we can certainly consider adding a cash version it if there's more interest.

I'd like to express my interest in cash version

Just read through the thread, can't believe the guy got banned for offering a HUD that anyone could make even if it does use the same stats as Coffee's HUD. It doesn't surprise me though considering that CoffeeHUD is sold on HUSNG.com and Rypac benefits from sales.

I think my position has been pretty consistent. A few points:

- I can't go into Cardrunners forum and offer videos.

- I can't go into any HUD ad thread on 2p2 and offer any HUD, let alone talk about copying it exactly just to spite the author.

- I have consistently banned users offering free DC/CR/etc. videos on these forums, and many other examples where I have no monetary interest (I have a monetary interest on the CoffeeHUD of course).

Given the above, I think your post is a bit one sided and incorrect/angry.

I thought the guys posts should have been deleted so my question is just out of curiosity. If the guy came back on a different name, and started a thread offering a free HUD but didn't mention it was a copy of Coffeeyay's, although it was similar or better..what happens? Surely the thread couldn't be locked as there's a few threads out there offering free HUDs?

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If it looks the same / uses exactly the same stats as the CoffeeHUD then it doesnt matter if he says that it is a copy or not bc it is too obv that it is one imo.

Oh, hi there scammer Brocky. Paid back the money you owe to players yet? I didn't think so.

What a surprise that an angry trolling comment came from a scammer.

Paddy and Ready, anyone can offer a free non commercial HUD in this forum at this time. For example, awehud2, Chadders PT HUD and several others are in this forum, non commercial HUDs. The quality of their HUDs is not relevant to them being in a thread, basically if it's non commercial and totally free, people can share HUDs here.

The copying issue is not an easy one, I'd end up defaulting to the opinion of PT or HEM's administration and/or 2p2's administration if a HUD owner believes they are being unfairly copied and it's not an outright "I'm going to spite copy your HUD" situation.

I think you got my point wrong (or I had poor wording).

What I tried to say is that when that guy (or some else for that matter) opens a thread for a free HUD which is similiar to the Coffeeyay one / exact the same I dont think it matters if he says it is a copy or not bc clearly at that point it is just a copy imo and I am against that.

Otherwise I could just take vids like PP or leakfinders in the universal replayer from HUSNG.com, recording them while using the exact same words as the coaches and offering them for free.

In both cases you just steal the work from some else imo.

Oh I understood, I was trying to address both at once.

I may have worded poorly, but I just mean if it's not clear that the work is being outright copied and/or stolen, I would ask the opinion of the relevant administrators (2p2, HEM, PT4, etc.) in the case of an issue with a HUD.

There is some gray area on certain things due to the setup of these HUDs, so it's not 100% like the videos comment example I used earlier in this thread that you're using now, it might be closer to training site 1 making a concept video about bluffing the river and training site 2 making one a month later... IE it depends on the specific content of the video (there have been training site video copying issues on both sides, inappropriate and appropriate, before).

But instances of clear copying obviously are not permitted on 2p2, regardless of specific country laws.

I agree with all of the haters in this thread, I can't believe I spent $100 on something that is easily going to make me an extra ~$30k a year. (I would have snap paid $2k) I planned to not comment on the coffehud, because I think that other regs getting the HUD hurts me. But, I am so shocked that people would actually criticize coffee for this, I felt like I had to say something. I do agree that newer players will get less use out of the HUD, but making the investment and working hard to learn how to use it correctly will work out in the long run.

Hi,

I got a question and hope you can help me. I played approx 9k hands vs an opponent on Turbos. But I guess the HUD shows something wrong. As you can see the HUD says the opponent has played most of the hands with 0-8 BB which is definately wrong.

How can that be? And how can I fix it?

Btw: Most of those hands are already >6 months old and I tracked them on an other skin (ipoker).

I had the same problem. Updating pt4 to the newest beta version helped.

This is an issue because of old hands in your database.

During PT4 beta phase the hands were encoded into the database in a different way then they are currently. The CoffeeHUD is built to work with the newest version of PT4 and this version will incorrectly read those old hands.

But it is hard to judge this without knowing details. Feel free to PM me if you need more support. I'm sure we can figure out how to get the CoffeeHUD fully working despite your old hands.

I think when you install the 'proper' version of PT4 you're supposed to re-create your db or something.
Maybe try exporting all hands and then re-import them into a new PT4 db? Time consuming though...

Yes. And the fastest option for this is using backup. Backup old database - create a new database - restore hands into new database.

Surely this just creates a new version of the old database, which will still not have effective stack values stored in the new columns?

why is there nothing so epic for hm2... nothing even solid lol

There will be a notecaddy version of Coffeehud in the near future.

You WILL auto-improve from using it. Just like you auto-improve from watching videos or getting coaching. That is, if you are inexperienced enough. The most inexperienced has the best chance of getting the most benefit. I made the biggest strides when I was a beginner, without putting in very much work. Now, I have to scrap and claw for every marginal improvement. With HUDs like this spoon feeding data that took me a long time learn intuitively on my own, it's only going to get harder for me.

If it was about hard work, you would just study and do it yourself. But you want the easy way, someone else already figured it out, so take their knowledge and use it. Otherwise, why would you ever pay someone for coaching, videos, or a HUD? It's a shortcut, plan and simple. Then if everyone does it, the short cut just turns into "the way".

I don't like it at all, I think these huds should be banned, training sites closed down, and players are on there own. But there it is...

Just out of curiosity, who should close down training sites? More specifically, which entity has jurisdiction to do this?

Anonymous?

I agree Hince.

So long as we can install some sort of detection to prevent any private coaching, help from friends or family, staking and we need some sort of equalizer for players new to the game who have to face players with 4 or 5 years experience. Maybe they get a "hot deck" or something.

Thanks for pointing this out. I had got a misconception from somewhere.