Say the flop is 8 3 3 rainbow. Against a reg its good to check some Ax and Kx but what you do vs a fish start of game? If you check your A or K high are you planning to bluffcatch 1 or mostly 2 streets? Better to still cbet until more reads on villains turn riv tendencies?

checking back A high and planning to call one street generally speaking, K high I'm not checking until I see a good reason to do so

so villain dependent tho why would we not cbet v someone that might fold a big % of the time also he could have good equity still or pick up equity on turns when we dont cbet that we would of folded out.

then we think about turn/river tendencies are we gonna get double probed alot if ever when we do check back and with this texture? can our hand handle 2 streets of action? what does with turn river leading range contain? gotta keep thinking these thing through and have a plan for every hand on every street v specific opponents.

i probably shouldnt even comment in your thread if i think who you are is correct but im bored an cant sleep you're welcome (probably sit you soon)

Fish float the most ridic boards with ATC. Like 236tt with T9o etc. Cbet and call a ton of rivers. Paired boards slightly less than those low boards but still enough to warrant a call.

You probably missed the part "readless"

So i assume its better to cbet pretty much 100% readless on a 8 3 3 flop without knowing your villains tendencies post flop? Or else we get into marginal spots by having to bluffcatch our A and K highs too much.

its always best to cbet close to 100%, cause if villains folds, you win the pot!

I mean what's the scenario, though? Normally within 10-15 hands of playing a certain Villain I can already tell whether they're going to be peeling a lot of flops or whether they fold to c-bets too much. So are you just asking about the first few hands of a match?

I guess I don't really get the point of the question. If you don't have reads on a Villain, and you c-bet Ax on 883 and he calls, you don't know where you're at, and if you check back otf and he bets ott, you also don't know where you're at. Until you have an idea of how V plays, you're not going to know what's optimal, so while your question isn't uninteresting, it's not really of crucial importance in a vacuum. You're basically asking about what's generally optimal in a highly specific situation where we have no information, so I'm not sure what sort of answer you're looking for.

you didnt say readless just unknowns like we cbet as much as possible unless we have a reason not to? then if he just dont fold that much on flops we can delay cbet which works pretty good.

I thought unknowns would be the same as readless. People you havent played and have no reads on.

I thought ace high was generally a value bet on 883, anyway..

It depends on stacksize.

^is that a response to OP?

well you could say that yes but in general should be specific when u mention all details.

Yes it's a reply to OP but I guess can be a reply to your post as well.

So are you cbetting all your A high and happily bluffcatching river probes start of match readless?