absolutely no special reads. i was distracted the game phoning with a friend while playing but had in my mind: this villain is pretty straightforward

should i bet this river? and if, can i call a raise?

also can you find a raise anywhere with my hand on flop or turn. turnbetsize is so strange, i pussed out and just called afraid of A2s or a better King.

PokerStars - $6+$0.25|15/30 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: 1,265.00
Hero (BB): 1,735.00

SB posts SB 15.00, Hero posts BB 30.00

Pre Flop: (45.00) Hero has J K

SB raises to 90.00, Hero calls 60.00

Flop: (180.00, 2 players) 2 K 2
Hero checks, SB bets 120.00, Hero calls 120.00

Turn: (420.00, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, SB bets 120.00, Hero calls 120.00

River: (660.00, 2 players) 4
Hero?

cr and get it in on the flop is pretty standard but flatting is ok if he barrels light.

i dno what people think about the turn but i am def value betting on the river open to suggestings on sizing

basically dont think about folding at any point in the hand imo

given his turn sizing I'm guessing he has like a pocket pair or weak king imo; i'd bet smallish on river (around 260 or so) and fold if he raises

Yeah, agree with Spamz for the river...for the flop Tamas don't you think c/r there is just going to be worse than calling on this board and letting him fire again? Definitely not saying your wrong at all but my thinking is that we just fold out his air a lot and lose value. I guess people do shove on these types of boards thinking that your c/r'ing light..would like to hear why c/r > flat though

+1

there are def good arguments for both but i prefer cr in this specific case for a couple reasons
-villains tend not to triple barrel bluff a lot, while we might get a second barrel sometimes i dont think we get 3 very often at all
-they also dont tend to value bet too thin so i cant see them value towning themselves with k6 for example but will almost certainly play for stacks v a cr. they will also get way over attached to something like 9s or 10s but will likely shut down on turn or river.
-in the 6s i imagine you can play your hand very face up and people just donate

more generally if i was playing a good player i would flat sometimes to protect my floats and Ahighs bcos dont want my calling range to be too weak here but i would still be cr this board for value and with air some % as well. also if players are never playing back vs cr then we can just **** with them.

basically i think not stacking a k here is a much bigger mistake than folding out air. however i could be convinced otherwise because i know he mostly has air here

Ok thanks for the response, sounds good to me...just wanted to hear your reasoning and I def don't disagree..just wanting to see where/if my thinking was flawed maybe.

given this read you're okay with flatting turn?

i thought it was K332 but it's K223 so i'd add some 3x to that range too, maybe some strong A-highs or smth and obv some random bluffs as well
yes flat turn lead river is fine imo; it keeps his weaker hands i dont see a reason to try and get stacks in really because there's not many handcombo's worse for villain to withstand a lot of heat

Spamz..what are your thoughts on the flop? You rather flat or c/r?

this doesnt really fit; stacks have change a considerable amount and even openingsizes or cbetsizes would be relevant here

i think flat vs random on flop is best though

r u guys cc or cr turn when u cc here?

cool to know. i didnt know that openingsizes and cbetsizes are so relevant but now youve said it i see why it is. will consider this in my future posts. thx

he mixed his cbets from 2-3bb and contibetted most flops half or 2/3 pot. although we played sometime we didnt went to showdown with a relevant hand and unfortunately i didnt know about his doublebarrel-tendencies.
like said, as the game started a friend called me and we chatted.

the thing why i would flat flop is because a lot of people will fold vs checkraise anyway but if they turn a pair with their 98o type of hands they will call at least one more bet

why isn´t anybody considering leading against some1 who is "pretty straight forward?"
I think if he is only betting for value but able to call a bluff with A-high there is more Value in a lead imo.
I lead/call flop c/c turn and b/f river if betsizing is reasonable...

leading flop vs straightforward player with this hand is pretty stupid
what do you want? a fold 80%+ of the time?

oh..i meant with pretty straight forward that he is cbetting a majority of flops that could hit a "pretty straifght forward"- range after a preflopraise of him.

Leading is just going to get folds way too often here and instead of doing it and hoping he does float with like A high we can just let him bet himself which he will do a lot...basically we get less value by leading I think.

I think we need a definition of straight forward....
in my book straight forward = tight passive. with AFq of 35% max, c-bet 40 % and fold to c-bet of 50%.
And they have a bigger bluffcalling than bluffing/valuebetting range.

If he´s c-betting anything close to 60+% c/c is best obv.
But if he fits my picture of straight forward i´d rather extract max. Value from worse kings,PPs and A-high then hope for him to improve on the turn or suddenly spazz out.

edit:
or maybe its just me who needs a definition of straight forward since most of you expect him to c-bet a lot.

the only reason you would ever lead here is to make villain spazz vs that
seriously, leading here vs a random/standard player here with your hand on this board is so mentally ******edly bad imo

i agree