QFT!!!! let's start requesting this!!!

+1 structure is fine, good other points

Changing the structure to no blind increase would decrease the number of recreational players, so keep structure and lower the rake.

no blind increase is boring. imo it is a stupid idea because fishes loves the current low edge structure.

rather implement 20bb cap hu cash.

30bb is better imo, or 25.

I would also prefer keeping the non-push/fold playability as long as possible without increasing the rake. No blind increase or limited increase to 30-40 blind level both sound good.

Doesn't that in effect defeats the purpose of hypers?
I mean u cant really call them hypers in that case, when one game can last forever.

On a side: some rambling correlated with profitability of the games not by adapting structure of the game.
First thoughts are written down beneath and quick reread is done.

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Promote the game by publishing charts.

Fish love charts.

So imo make some charts that increases profitability of fish but at the same time ensure the charts are still exploitable; the how and when not published. Decent players should be capable to discover, implement.
Above this, a player population streamlined ensures regs will significantly gain quicker (as they discovered) and gain more (as the variance of different fish strat decreases). The decrease in profitability of release vs the increase of profitability because of more focused studying & more clean/clear range is discussion point & something that is the problem of the author.
In time, post can be made to tell 'fish' that when you take 1 strat and both play exactly the same using that strat, the chips go forward and back. Noone gains. Meaning, they were to slow to learn and implement the charts and to discover the exploits and implement and are left behind.
At the same time chips keep going back and forward between fish and site generates rake as win-% dropped to 50 for each fish and such the rake they gain before fish are broke increased. At the same time, exploitability is important because trafic decreases when fish cannot discover players winning constantly and with 'an edge' giving proof to real profitability of the game.

Rinse repeat with next information leakage cycle when fish are drained/dropped in numbers.

Compare it with Nash charts where it is always nice an opp OS 7bb+ where it is actually lovely -EV for sb but of course still unexploitable if you want to live with the 'unexploitable' flawed mantra.

The above approach is imo acceptable for fish and great players and causes moaning of players clearly in between or not yet convinced they are great.
Maybe a point of attention (not to generate charts that give a too great increase of edge to fish compared ...) for ST video creators as this approach directs information leakage to a direction that indeed money can be made by teaching and at the same time profitability for pros is kept, profitability for sites is kept, fish are happy and people looking/buying information are happy.

Maybe people appreciate information leakage even more besides the increase in their skill ...

a) i am tired
b) i am slow
c) this wall of text is very hard to read

lol whaat

Nice troll.

Avg game time would go up a lot, but still faster than turbos, and the defining aspect of hypers imo is that you're shortstacked

Increase rake, drive the fishregs away from the games

I like the idea but 10 hands are not enough, I usually play ~20 hands per level.

Yeah your right scratch the minimum hand requirement.

Here's an updated list of changes I would like to see.

-Although a no/1 blind increase hu hyper sounds good in theory I think that because of the dramatically increased game time it will be very hard to get the majority of players to hop on board with this idea. Plus the current format is very popular and we know for sure that recreational players love the current format it will be risky to deviate from it.

-But I think that most players would agree that if we keep the current current structure but lower the rake a bit so that the game is sustainable for years to come.

- 20 bb HU cap cash game tables are pretty much the same as no blind increase hu hypers but will provide a a lot more benefits. It would be a nice side game to mix in with your regular grind when action is slow, players won't have to choose one over the other and it will attack the cash game market and not take away much recreational player action from hu hypers.

- HU hyper 4 mans.


- HU Hyper 25bb mtts where each match is a best out of 3

stopping at 15/30 would be epic

By the way, this isn't a thread for PokerStars, I saw a few posts that seemed to imply or think that it was.

PokerStars is the bar for success in this case, just trying to see if we can improve upon what they offer given that this other network has given the community a blank slate on which to work from.

If you ask a random person on the street what hyper means they would say something like "very fast". Short stacks can mean quicker games but does not necessarily mean faster games. A sng game that takes on this new structure would need a different name imo.

Im really hoping that this is for merge. Even gunna use my 111111111 TIIIIMMMMEEEEEE!!!

Now, down to business

I like a lot of BigHustla's ideas, but I really dont like the idea of NBI. It will seriously encourage weak regs like ATG to timedown on regs and fish. Having regs timedown on fish is seriously bad for the game and will make fish more likely to play other games instead.

I also don't like the idea of increasing the chips to 1500 because I think that having only 500 chips gets fish to spew and calloff a lot lighter. Having played on merge where their STs are 1500 chips, I feel like barelling is not as effective because its betting around 100 on the flop, 200 on the turn, and a river shove is just so massive compared to stacks. Whereas the stars structure is soooooooo much better for setting up triple barrel shoves. ~35 on flop, ~75 on turn river is like ~250 for PSB

I think instead, how about adding only 30 seconds to each level? Im not sure what kind of increase this would have on my roi, or my avg game length, but it might be a good idea to consider. It will be around 10 more hands for the first two levels, which should be a pretty good increase in roi! Plus, when you get to push/fold mode you will have a bit better reads on villain.

Or, what if they just added like 2% higher prize pool in relation to the games? This would keep rake lower, while the company won't notice the decrease in profits. If you tell them to lower rake, they most likely are not going to do it. But if you say "Hey lets add $5 to the prize pool for $60s, $7.50 to the $80s, etc." then the company in question is probably more likely to go for it. Rake really is my biggest issue with the games. It is discouraging to play 100 games, go like 51-49 and still be down like 2 BIs for the day. We pay the highest amount in rake by far, we deserve more attention, and I am very glad that whichever company this is has taken the time to talk to Ryan and get some input.

I just had a great idea inspired from Ohly in the regs thread.

Ultimate King of the Hill.

Every X ammount of games of rematching the same opponent you get X% decrease in rake, or X ammount increase in VIP points, or w/e. This will encourage regs to sit each other more often and if promoted correctly will encourage fish to play for longer. They could even do it something like every rematch gives 5% extra VIP points, relative to stake played. So if at $100 Hypers you make 10 VIP points, then every game rematched would get you 5% more. so 10 at first game, 10.05 at second game, 10.10 third game, etc.

And if regs start to go around this by not hitting rematch, and instead sitting someone at lower stakes for a game, then coming back to sit lobby, you could instead make it a day long bonus. So if I play Ohly at noon, get murdered because he knows all my secrets and take a break and come play him again at 8pm, then the bonus would still be at wherever we left off at.

This is a win win for us all because players get more games, thus making more $, fish have more incentive to play multiple games and regs have incentive to fight for lobbies. It will also make regs more $ in the long run by giving increased points which can be redeemed for cash (although this is a very minor increase in earnings) . The poker room makes more because of increased games and cash on hand is increased at a very minor expense to decrease in rakeback %.

The programing for this might be difficult to implement, but if they added a feature like an agreement to play X ammount of games, it would increase action. Like at the start of seating, both players are given an ammount of games to agree upon, and the rake will be decreased for higher volume agreed upon. They could do it in implements like $1 rake per game, or $4.50 for 5 games, 15 for $20, etc.

+1 Like all these ideas.

Yup +1

Lower rake on rematches is such a good one

grunch

-lower rake
and/or
-slower blind increases (i.e. 5 mins)
and/or
-35bb start
and
-get rid of auto-registering software

basically give the players a bit of breathing room, it's like a slowly tightening noose right now. If nothing else, LOWER THE RAKE.

So +1 to Bighusla list overall.

only things I disagree with:

IMO push for leaderboard rather than rake cut. It's a rake cut that mostly helps us as it increases volume/excitement but mostly gives regs rake back so it's made to encourage reg v reg action and give us some more rakeback to keep us happy. IMO win win win for everyone involved since it wouldn't be as big of a cost to Stars as actually lowering rake. It would also promote our format a ton too since it would be a new big thing. I think this is something achievable, whearas actually lowering rake will not happen for quite some time (till there's more competition in the market). So push for this instead of lowered rake. We'll end up with the same effect plus a good deal of bonuses that address some of the issues with hypers at the moment (no incentive to play regs, no promotion, low sustainability due to small edges, no incentive to rematch, etc) without being something overt and expensive to PS bottom line.

only thing I'd like to add to the list:

Also I'd like to see higher stakes hyper turbo PLO HUSNGs. Those things are awesome and the edges are so much higher in that format (especially since PL means games are longer so you get more hands for your rake). Shouldn't be hard to add them and shouldn't make any big differences to player pool etc. but I could see action at high stakes ones being decent since they're really fun so MTT guys might flock to them a bit, some fish enjoy PLO, and overall I think the format is a nice new one for new people to conquer (no training vids, no coaching, etc)

+1 for plo