I usually play at the $20 games at Full Tilt. It happens very often at around 20 BB or so my opponent will be shoving over my minraises very lightly and I'm at a loss for what my calling range should be. I end up giving up way too many pots. I usually start limping against a player like this but i was wondering what my range should look like against a player who is shoving about 50% of the time on my minraises at 20 BB.

A10s+ any pair imo.

poker stove 50 % rande and find a range ev + imo

start shoving yourself taking away their re-steal. Call A8+ K9+ QJ+, pairs etc.

Don't fight fire with fire. You're just making him play perfectly against you by calling the Nash range.

Instead, only open with hands that you want to call a shove with, limping the rest.

lol like this is going to happen in reality.

Call anything with ~47%+ equity versus hi shoving range, ldo. Start folding weaker hands.

In reality, he's calling tighter than Nash, but this doesn't really help you that much. Sure we're unexploitable and have a positive expectation by playing shove/fold at 20 bb - but it's far from optimal, and we're leaving a ton of money on the table.

You'll also face a ton of variance with this strategy since a large portion of the +EV comes from fold-equity, and we're often beat when we actually get the money in.

Also note that playing Nash doesn't mean you can actually beat these games - all that Nash guarantees you is having +EV over zero - it could be less than the rake.

Just have a closer look at the 20+ shoving range in Nash - it tells you to jam 54s, for instance - would you ever expect to be called by anything that you're a huge favorite against ?

But then look at K8o - that'd be a fold at 20 bb - but isn't K6o what fish calls "a super strong hand" ? By bet/calling hands such as KQ you allow fish to jam all these junky hands. If an aggro maniac fish calls your shove with these hands, then he's even more likely to shove over your minraise

Yeah - just think about what his weakness is: he's shoving too wide over your opens.

So your adjustment should be trapping him by mostly (*) opening hands with good equity that you can bet/call with, trying to limp or fold the rest.

(*) In theory, you should only open hands that you're calling with, but you may need to occasionally also minraise/fold, since you don't want him him adjust by not shoving as wide anymore.

50%? About 50%? I mean if you can give % then just open pokerstove, but obviously you can never have a big enough sample to know what that % is especially when it could easily be him picking up hands a few times in a row.

Really he's not actually reshipping 50% RANGE (maybe frequency over 4 or 6 hands but what does that matter?), that's just a hyperbole.

As correctly noted by a poster, hero's reshipping range should mostly a product of the villain's perceived opening (and stack-off) range, which, while correlated, is not the same as his ship over range.

Also correctly noted by a poster, having a stronger minraise range (by being tighter IP and/or having a limp range) would also combat this.

Finally calling sufficiently loose against this range would help.

Something like A8, KJs+, 22+, and maybe even weaker at times, depending on how light/bad you think he is would be a start.

Okay I misread, it seems some people are suggesting OPEN shoving at 20bbs not reshipping. Okay that's bad, because your range that can open ship at 20bbs are all hands that you can potentially use to raise/call a shove. It'd be AWFUL to open ship those because, a) you lose a lot of equity. You are still going to get called by a lot of the hands beat you, but the hands that will now fold but would have shoved over are mostly beaten by your range. Thus: no value. b) you're severely weakening your minraise range by not having a strong range to call a shove with, not that b matters vs fish, but OP didn't say fish, just super aggro.

So yeah, open shipping at 20bbs is a godawful way of adjusting. Open shipping at higher blinds is mostly a response to players who play well postflop and give you a lot of trouble and 3bet a range that is very very balanced and your hand is difficult to play against. It's something you should do vs players who call too much vs mr but folds to shoves, or who are good players and thus you adapt an unexploitable strategy.

yup u r absolutely right. And this is part of the answer how to adapt. I didn't say u should be shoving on SB rather than to do those other things. I just really meant what I said. They won't ever call NASH so it's a bad hypothesis.

did some figures and came up with these ranges:

villains range 25%+, we call with 44+,A9+,A8s+
villains range 50%+, we call with 33+,A2+,K9+,K7s+,QJ,QTs+
villains range 100%, we call with 22+,A2+,K2+,Q3+,Q2s+,J6+,J3s+,T7+,T6s+,98,97s+,87s

idk, possibly a little loose for 20bb's... anyone like these ranges?

vs 50% I call any pair any ace, most kings, QJT pick two but that's really a ton of hands, most regs shove 15-35% which can look much bigger in small sample sizes, and if you remove just a few of that 50% a large bottom part of your calling range becomes slightly -EV.