Should i flat call or shove the river here? Match has been dragging for a while here. Pretty nitty, three bet a few times never had a hand to defend with so very few played three bet pots. Seems to only raise me on the river with a strong holding. I don't see how i can just flat call though with no flush out there.


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Isma99 (BTN/SB): t2820 56.40 BBs
Hero (BB): t3180 63.60 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with T 8
Isma99 calls t25, Hero checks

Flop: (t100) 9 5 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Isma99 checks

Turn: (t100) J (2 players)
Hero bets t100, Isma99 calls t100

River: (t300) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t200, Isma99 raises to t800, Hero raises to t3030 all in, Isma99 calls t1870 all in

Shoving is good. I feel he would bet 5s on flop a lot, so it makes it pretty hard for him to have a boat, and plenty of 2pairs/maybe some loose 5s that could be raising here.

Not a fan of turn sizing and probably just flat his raise given its pretty big.

blinds are 25 50. I thought everyone pots boards in unraised pots? what should I do? min bet? I don't min bet.

Not minbetting isnt really a viable explanation.

Shove all day long.

You can get called by fives, jacks, then AA/KK/QQ trying to trap (el oh el, unlikely), and some other pocket pairs.

interesting situation. there is a lot behind which makes me uncomfortable shoving this, but the most likely 5x hands are 56,54 and k5 and none of them beat you. also there is a worse straight possible, making this a shove imo.

Well let's see here. I don't think the bet sizing on the turn should even be nit picked about. Why? Well because there's no difference between betting 100 or hightlighting it and betting 80 or whatever amount you're thinking. Betting 50 chips is pretty weak. On the turn I'm really only betting for two reasons. 1: because I picked up a draw, and 2: I'm just trying to take down an unraised pot. On top of that I'm 9 tabling these things so I'm not going to take the extra time to add 20 or 30 chips to my bet sizing. So can we please focus on the bigger picture? Btw here is the results


Final Pot: t5640
Isma99 mucks 5 K
Hero shows T 8 (a straight, Jack high)
Hero wins t5640

I'm just curious how you guys would play this against a nit whether just going for the win or playing it safely and if I am beat still having chips to come back from.

These two things struck me (independently) as very stupid. DUCY?

There are also a couple other flaws in thinking in that post that aren't stupid, just wrong.

I honestly don't. Please enlighten me.

well, first of all "weak" means nothing quantitative. It's a strictly better bet size because it folds out a similar range but costs half the price, weak and strong have nothing to do with it, they're just cop out terms like "I don't minbet". A minbet here is half the pot, which is a very useful betsize, avoiding it because solely because you cannot bet less than half pot in this spot is, as I said before, stupid.

9 tabling husngs, especially 2$ ones, is massively -EV. You're leaking in nine different tables at the same time (You yourself said you aren't even able to adjust your betsizing!). Most 2p2 people play 1 or 2 tables. When learning (ie playing micro stakes) 1 table let's you learn more and achieve a higher roi to let you move up faster so that you're not playing for highly raked cheesburgers anymore. Again, it's just stupid.

I'm not going to go into the rest of your post, all I'll say is you have a lot to learn so be very open to criticism. Read a lot of the stickies in the FAQ. Post more hands (I'm certainly not trying to discourage you!). Think not just about poker but also about how you're thinking about poker and you'll be able to play achieve a higher level of thought process (and by transitivity, a more profitable poker game). Always be able and willing to adjust.

I appreciate you taking the time to explain it to me in a calm and patient way. I am definitely open to criticism even if it may not seem like that in this thread . But I do feel like I have to defend myself about some of the things that you said.

9 tabling these hu sngs is not -EV for me because I have a high ROI at these stakes in these games. (I know the next question I'll get is "Well why haven't you moved up then?" but I'm not going to even get into that because it's a long story) Obviously I will make a few more mistakes the more tables I add but I've handled it pretty well so far. I can adjust my betsizing fine on all the tables but I'm not going to decide between apples and oranges over 50 chips in a small pot.

Edge comes from being able to decide between apples and oranges. Just because you have a high roi doesn't mean you can't have a higher roi two tabling. And moving up only has to do with roi, so it shouldn't be a long story it should be a quick "It's below my kelly threshold" for which the easy solution is lower your table number which increases your roi and lets you play higher.

I'm not sure what "kelly threshold" means but I'm assuming it means above what I am capable to win against? And if so, no, that's not the reason. It's because i have to make withdrawals regularly because of my life situation right now and i have to grind back up really quickly and withdraw. Making it a little difficult to just take as many shots as i would like to.

lol there's some egoistic and parenting sentece. Just point out the exact flaws in thinking as u did later and leave these confusing statements out of the otherwise solid post.

I'm too lazy sorry.

@aTTa

Read this and you'll know what I'm talking about with bankroll management.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...ah-brm-884641/

Cliffs:
itt, OP 9-tables the $2s. (side-note: is the elusive $2 reg we have long been searching for????)

Minbet? I don't minbet.

we have the nut straight, flatting the river is like lighting money on fire and is probably something Daniel Negreanu would do

just because you got coolered doesnt mean you made the wrong play, when he snaps off with any 5 or 68 you fistpump

fold. he has boat.