Villain was tight passive, on the nitty side
(snap-folded his button in a 3bet pot after i donked the flop on 666.)
this was my third or fourth 3bet, he had only folded once before.

Butchered much?

Villain played this hand horribly. 3bet is bad, turn/river checks are bad...

You could've cbet something like 350-400. He's TP so you know he can't stand much pressure and that flop likely did not hit him.

right. I checked back the flop since a Q and any club is obviously in his range (btw he was real fishy) and I didn't want to get it in with only 2 overs, neither did i like bet/folding since he can raise or shove with a huge range and i'm folding too much in that spot i think. The rest of the hand i figured i was just lost after checking back.

Make it like 625 pre. Fish who min3bet like this call massive 4bets for like half their stack with a surprisingly high frequency.

yea make big 4 bet pre shove any flop vs min 3betting fish and shove flop obv

[ ] 3bet pot

At stakes this low, you can definitely overbet, like cnat spell is saying... except I would honestly be OK with jamming too if you think you'll get calls. You'll probably lose out on EV by jamming if you said he's somewhat nitty though.

I think that cbet was quite an obvious thing here - quite a nice chance to fold someone with no club... But on such a low stakes I'd probably just call his 3bet to use position - playing AK too fast often ends really bad against some funny low pairs. So I would rather call, see whether I hit or not and try to kick him out with cbet. Hate to build big pot preflop with AK unless it is reeeeaaaaaly big pot

DO NOT FLAT WITH AK AFTER MIN 3BET!!! u should definatly 4bet more. Dunno about flop cbet, some worse hands with club draws can ch/shove and we fold better hand, but i think after we check flop, turn is also a check. And on that river, also no point in beting.

I think that against tight passive (probably pretty weak) player it is not so bad to just flat call. If he 3bets (not really passive) he probably has some hand- quite often pocket pair, so we're only 50% till the river. In case of big 4bet we build a pot that will be hard to get out of, and we will be probably committed on a flop. If we miss - there are nice chances that we are worse than 50%. So if opponent it tight passive there are probably better spots to chip him out than moments when he 3bets...

you'll lose massive value doing this, you're dominating his range so often, like here.

also, if villain's tight-passive it's usually NOT hard to play 3/4bet pots with him, so why avoid it?

really have to 4bet AK here

Dont really think that KJ 3bet is tight passive... If we're talking about tigh passive player 3bet indicates something better - very often a pair. KJoff 3bet is not really a tigh passive play so probably tight passive is not the best read on this player.

4 bet pot

dont mind sizing pre, gotta cbet when checked to take it down a tonne right there

if hes really fishy i think you could argue for a jam. generally bad players have a really hard time 3bet folding. Some players just sit around all day trying to get it in with A5+ i swear.

^^^This. The habitual min 3bettors always seem to show up with dominated hands and the occasional 77-TT. And yes, he can be TP and still 3 bet KJ -- it's a MIN 3 bet FFS. Against a min 3betting TP, seems like printing money to 4bet AK as big as you think he will call and fire at every flop. Also, I can't see how a small flop bet would be -ev in this spot. Even at 250-300 seems like we will get a fold about 35-40% of the time and the times he does call he will probably check T&R pretty often.

Still dont think this guy is really TP... And again - against TP it is not the best strategy to put one third of ur stack to the pot preflop. Even if youre 70% preflop - you will miss anyway two of three flops and cbet with 2 overs, or face donkbet.

man, if u dont want to put as much money as possible preflop, when u r 70% vs 30, then u should consider moving down as much as u can.

^^^Yes, AND villain is passive AND you have position AND it's pretty likely his range is full of dominated hands. So you cbet every single flop and:
- 36% you hit TPTK ... do a happy dance on the way to value town
- 23% you whiff and he hits/calls (let's hope we hit OTT/R since we get there for free)
- 41% you whiff, but he also misses and folds to the cbet

More importantly, I totally disagree with anyone saying we will be pot committed by a big 4b + cbet - - assuming of course the tight-passive read is good. It really doesn't matter how much of our stack goes in since each bet would be made with it's own significant positive expectation. If we create a big pot preflop and the flop is Q or J high, I have no intention of getting the rest of my stack in just because "we are committed" - - not against a straight forward player. You can fire a smallish cbet on any flop with a good deal of confidence he is going to fold if he didn't connect and feel pretty confident you are beat when he calls / raises.

We would be very happy getting it all in preflop and can simply shrug it off when we get beat since we got in in good. If our villain plays straight forward as per our read, I would feel the same way check/folding if we miss the flop and he calls a cbet. Just shrug and fold to any turn bet. Our money still went in good. The only difference is we only lose 1/3 of our stack instead of the whole thing. What's the issue?

Ok... If you say so... If your goal is to fight fishes with AK shove preflop or on any flop then just ram and jam any AK. I'm not really sure whether anyone noticed this is $3 HU. Youre trying to predict moves of fishy player from $3 stakes. I may only wish you good luck. Really dont see any reason to build huge pots preflop against fishes, especially those tagged as tight but you probably know better. Tight passive fish from 3USD stakes and everyone advice to play him like he has edge on you...

"If your goal is to fight fishes with AK"??? lol, wut?

I'll try to make clear where you have gone wrong in your thinking by applying your logic to a different spot. Your position is that you don't want to bloat the pot with AK since you will miss the flop 64% of the time. So according to that logic, we should always limp AK ... right? I mean we're just going to miss the flop 2/3 of the time why the hell raise and start bloating the pot before we have even made a hand? I assume (hope?) you don't agree with that premise, so please explain to yourself why you wouldn't limp AK pre. Now take that logic and apply it to post flop game. When doing so, keep in mind that most of villain's range will also miss the flop 2/3 of the time.

God, I hope this is a gimmick account leveling.

B/f 197 on the flop

Why is that? Im interested in understanding your thought process. A small, weird bet is def a cool idea.

Not really. You have way more options to play pot of 300 than 700 chips. And I prefer to play like 30 avg pots against fishy opponents than 3 big pots - thats all. If you build a pot preflop and hit flop like 3 clubs Q high, opponent checks to you, so you should try to take it down now and cbet. So you put another 350 at least to the pot and now what? You get called and what now? No club, no pair - 2 overs but 2 of your possible outs are also clubs. Now it is time to get away from the hand - in best case get to free showdown. You lose a hand and now you have only half of your stack. Against tight passive opponent it is better to chip him away while he is not showing any strenghth. He is tight (as stated at the beginning) so why not exploit mostly that fact?

From the description of your opponent, he's going to play pretty straightforwardly, so I expect he will just c/f when he completely misses (no pair, no club). While we are obviously well ahead of those hands, it is still useful to have them fold as we will never be able to call a bet with this hand.

Yes, he's passive so he might not bluff, but it's still nice to just have him fold his air, or maybe even some small pair type hands that we beat (I've seen weak opponents mini-3bet small-medium pairs quite regularly)

If he check/calls, we're virtually assured that he will check the turn, and we can decide to take a free card if we choose (whereas if we check the flop, he'll often bet into us on the turn).

Also, while 197 is in fact a small sizing into a pot of 700, it looks a lot more menacing than a bet of 200, and I expect our opponent to react more honestly, raise us a bite less often, and fold a bit more often

Right. So he check calls the flop. At that moment his range includes any club (weighted towards lower ones)
Second pair type hands, some medium PPs sometimes, and weaker TPs. Should we barrel any non-club turn, or b/f a club. I feel like he's often folding too much OTT, just unsure what kkind of te texture I should barrel.

I'd be tempted to jam a T or J. I wouldn't bet a club. Might jam offsuit low cards too but probably giving up on a 7, 9, boardpair or club