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08-05-2021 , 05:13 PM

Vvvvv

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Join Date: Mar 2020 Posts: 544

PokerStars - 10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 21.5 BB
Hero (BB): 28.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J

SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero bets 1 BB, SB calls 1 BB

Turn: (4 BB, 2 players) T

Hero bets 3 BB, SB calls 3 BB

River: (10 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero bets ??? BB

I led the turn, because villain as cbetting only 33 % (13/40) in limped pots

Do we prefer smaller/bigger bet and why?

I am not sure here, as I rarely lead the flop. Do we expect them to call us down lighter in general, as opposed to betting IP?

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08-05-2021 , 05:33 PM

joegreen

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Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 16

I would usually pick a size that a "T" would call, generally when they have the 8, they'll raise your bet anyway.

With this method, you 95% of the time still get max value when they have the bad straight(and they raise your river bet), and you still get called off by a "T" that may fold if you had bet big.

Most of the time you get best of both worlds with this line.

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08-05-2021 , 06:42 PM

watergun7

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,796

Yes if villain is actually passive that warrants a flop lead (in theory almost never as villain has all 2ps all sets, overpairs A9 advantage on this flop), you should bet river.

If villain isn't raising turns enough (JT, T8, T9, sets should be raising a lot), then this hand can/should overbet turn. I would either do that or x/r turn.

GTO/nodelocked optimal strat will maximize value with the nuts on such a dynamic board. If villain isn't putting in enough money then you should do it yourself.

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08-05-2021 , 07:41 PM

HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by watergun7

GTO/nodelocked optimal strat will maximize value with the nuts on such a dynamic board. If villain isn't putting in enough money then you should do it yourself.

This

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08-06-2021 , 08:04 AM

Vvvvv

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River: (10 BB, 2 players) 6

Hero bets 3.35 BB, SB raises to 11.7 BB, Hero raises to 23.5 BB and is all-in, SB calls 4.8 BB and is all-in

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So I decided to bet small on the river to aim as many hands as possible. Now I realize, that this kind of thinking is costing me a lot of EV.

I am curious, what overbet sizing should we use? Something like 150 % of the pot?

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08-06-2021 , 05:49 PM

HokieGreg

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150% is basically a jam. I'd just go with that. I would have overbet the turn though.

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08-06-2021 , 07:39 PM

Vvvvv

grinder

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I meant ott. Do we prefer something like 150 %?

Anyway, in theory, when I use bigger sizing ott, I can't bluff as often, right? Or is my understanding here flawed?

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08-07-2021 , 03:09 AM

HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by Vvvvv

Anyway, in theory, when I use bigger sizing ott, I can't bluff as often, right? Or is my understanding here flawed?

In equilibrium, you will bluff less often in terms of total combos (more narrow value range), however you bluff more in terms of value to bluff ratio.

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08-07-2021 , 03:14 AM

HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by Vvvvv

I meant ott. Do we prefer something like 150 %?

Anything between 120-150% seems fine to me. Sets up around a pot size jam for us on the river which is ideal I think.

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08-07-2021 , 02:01 PM

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Duncelanas

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 6,334

Big size would be about 4.5 bigs (slight overbet) setting up a geometric river jam.

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08-17-2021 , 06:52 PM

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Pakichu777

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 480

why balance - we are playing vs recreational, lowstakes i assume...

if he's passive, i'd check here mainly... but lead isn't bad

rest of the hand is pretty standard and OK!

i see no reason to overbet the turn btw vs random

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08-25-2021 , 09:45 PM

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HokieGreg

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Originally Posted by Pakichu777

We have the nuts on the turn.

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