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11-22-2012 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Other people care, but I mean, what are they going to do? It's public, people know not to lend him money, he has a roll he's not paying people back with, instead degenning it up playing too high vs too good of players in hopes of winning it all back.

Not much more to say and no reason for other people he owes to post or do anything yet except hope he runs like god and doesn't decide to stiff them.

That sounds bleak, but it sounds like the guys owed money are taking the right line so far.
If these people would talk to PS, could they close down his account?
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11-23-2012 , 06:22 AM
Why would PS care about players loaning eachother money , paying it back or not.
Also there is no contract or anything legally binding, transfer history + chat logs are maybe enough to prove that u did loan money to somebody , but I doubt that PS would close someones acc because they didn't honor their word.
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11-24-2012 , 05:25 AM
Lol b12 absolutely crushed highstakes hu sngs, what happened he quit cu he couldnt get action? The man went into full degen mode and 4 tabld 200 400 deep with isildur, just an idiot.

Im sure he learnd a valuable lesson out of all this and i think he'lll pay everyone all at once when he gets it all + some for himself to play with, he just got carried away and lost control- it happens. happened to me twice, and i overcame it, he could too.

If he was DESPERATE and in fullblown desperatiion mode he could 16 table 1/2 cash blinds and do that for 1 month and since hes SNE he will get a 20k cash bonus.
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11-24-2012 , 06:55 AM
who told u he crushed?
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11-24-2012 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Siriusz
I don't care who he owes money to, but it makes a huge difference whether you owe money to someone who's willing to wait for it or if you told them you'd pay back on the next day. It's much worse when instead of just one guy there are a lot of them.

If what you say is true, then what he's doing is pretty much stealing money, it's not just a respected reg owing a lot of money and nobody caring because they know he's going to pay it and they don't mind waiting. Sounds like they're just not saying anything because then they might have a better chance to see their money again.

Once Harthor makes the thread, I think standard decency has been accomplished in warning the community.

I get that the people involved have the right to decide how they're going to proceed, if they think changing this thread to "<real name> scammed different people for 100k" will lower their chance of getting their money back then that's their decision of course. I guess given the circumstances that might even be true, doesn't make him less of a scammer on the other hand.

Adding real names, spamming it all over to people they know personally and google ruining their name are more of things to put emotional guilt into the forefront of the person's mind as often as possible and it often works in getting the person to start paying back what they can, instead of making bull**** excuses about not having money. But that's up to the people he owes money too.

It's a tough thing to balance, if you know someone owes someone money and isn't paying it back, do you out them? If not, how many people do they need to owe before you out them (assuming victims aren't outing them here)? There's some point between owing one guy who wants it to stay private and the person who owes money is actively trying to pay back after a big mistake and not trying to borrow from others and the other extreme where a guy is trying to get loans all over the place and he has taken a lot of money from several players. But where is that line?


PS: if all the assumptions above are true then I guess Harthor deserves a hell lot of respect for putting this thread up and potentially risking his chances of getting his money back. Of course he's just informing people about the situation and telling us that he's not ok with it, even though he seems sure he's getting his money back.

It's a calculated risk. Sometimes the guys that push the hardest get paid back first. Rarely do they get stiffed if the scammer pays back others. Scammers that pay back funds don't spite the guy that helped them realize their issues. Scammers spite everyone (no pay back) or noone (attempting to pay back every debt) almost always
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Originally Posted by callme
If these people would talk to PS, could they close down his account?
I don't think PS gets involved in personal debts. If you had some sort of court order judgement you might be able to claw some money from someone's Stars account, similar to how you could a bank account, but Stars isn't going to likely look at anything other than a court order from a relevant jurisdiction (such as where the player lives), if at all. I don't know this for sure, but the chances that Stars gets involved here is less than 1% based on the information in this thread.

Mark, I thought he was always known as a good player, but one that played tons of regs all the time. He once had something like a 300k month too. Dec 2010 maybe?

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 11-24-2012 at 03:42 PM.
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11-25-2012 , 12:56 AM
    Poker Stars, $50/$100 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14697961

    mikki696 (BTN): $17,981.57 (179.8 bb)
    Berndsen12 (SB): $4,249 (42.5 bb)
    GlassOfBeer (BB): $2,850 (28.5 bb)

    Preflop:
    mikki696 raises to $215, Berndsen12 calls $165, GlassOfBeer folds

    Flop: ($530) J 7 6 (2 players)
    Berndsen12 checks, mikki696 checks

    Turn: ($530) A (2 players)
    Berndsen12 bets $400, mikki696 raises to $1,727, Berndsen12 calls $1,327

    River: ($3,984) 4 (2 players)
    Berndsen12 checks, mikki696 bets $3,981, Berndsen12 calls $2,307 and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Results: $8,598 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: J 7 6 A 4
    mikki696 showed 4 A A 5 and won $8,595 ($4,346 net)
    Berndsen12 showed 8 3 Q J and lost (-$4,249 net)



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    11-25-2012 , 04:31 AM
    Meh.
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    11-28-2012 , 02:46 AM
    He's playing the $100 HU hypers right now

    A fyi bump
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    11-29-2012 , 04:53 AM
    isn't berndsen a woman? why is everyone referring to this person as a male?
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    11-29-2012 , 05:39 AM
    The plot thickens
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    11-29-2012 , 10:18 AM
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    Originally Posted by HoyaSaxa123
    isn't berndsen a woman? why is everyone referring to this person as a male?
    highstakes database uses this image:


    i'm pretty sure that's a male.


    also: you leveling?
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    11-29-2012 , 12:26 PM
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    Originally Posted by yay
    highstakes database uses this image:


    i'm pretty sure that's a male.


    also: you leveling?
    he looks trustworthy

    Last edited by arlecchino76; 11-29-2012 at 12:27 PM. Reason: from a distance
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    12-05-2012 , 05:01 AM
    And? "a little over 2 months" became about 4 months.
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    12-06-2012 , 08:12 AM
    Hello 2+2, as there has been many speculation concerning this issue I feel like its time for a public statement from me.
    The current situation is that i have significant lower amount of liferoll then the money I owe, i've had contact with the people involved and we agreed that i would grind with the money i currently have, and will make payments to them untill the debt is gone.
    What happened is that while i owed a lot of money, i went on an enourmous life tilt where i tilted my entire life-roll away. Leaving me with a lot of debt and barely any money. I want to be clear that i never loaned any money when i didnt have more, or equall money behind. Nor any reason to think i would not be able to pay back. As I owe almost all the money to close friends, i would never intentionally screw them over. I just made one giant mistake. However i do take full responsibility for what happened, and will do everything in my power to make it right. Also in hind-sight, i might have thought to little of some of the debts, and should have made more effort to pay them back earlier, when i still had the money. Owing this much is just never a good idea.
    Also i want to be clear I'm not trying to make excuses, or trying to victimize myself.

    Sincerely,

    Berndsen12
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    12-06-2012 , 08:46 AM
    That's just messed up I honestly don't understand how someone can tilt off the whole roll? Didn't you have it on various sites, bank etc. ? And it seems that the "life tilt" lasted for quite a long time, wasn't one time mistake...
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    12-06-2012 , 10:23 AM
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    Originally Posted by pavels4444
    That's just messed up I honestly don't understand how someone can tilt off the whole roll? Didn't you have it on various sites, bank etc. ? And it seems that the "life tilt" lasted for quite a long time, wasn't one time mistake...
    It's suprisingly easy to get on money to gamble if you want to. I had wasted a 6 figure bank account in 1 night.
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    12-06-2012 , 10:42 AM
    Although I'm pretty sure everybody would agree that the statement would have been better a few months ago I still wish you good luck to make things right...
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    12-06-2012 , 10:46 AM
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    Originally Posted by LeProtagonist
    lol soo rtarded that you come in this thread 2 posts after he says he is trying to fix his mistakes.
    Poker community in general is too forgiving and takes these matters way too easy. Someone rips people off multiple times and after a long time comes and posts that he is trying to fix things sure is better than not doing so. People are like ohhh he is so awesome and good person trying to pay back his debts. IRL he would be in jail getting butt raped multiple times every day for this kind of ****.
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    12-06-2012 , 10:49 AM
    And lol at Berndsen trying to sugarcoat this whole mess saying that he only ripped off close friends. OP is no way close friend of his.
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    12-06-2012 , 11:43 AM
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    Originally Posted by Berndsen12
    Hello 2+2, as there has been many speculation concerning this issue I feel like its time for a public statement from me.
    The current situation is that i have significant lower amount of liferoll then the money I owe, i've had contact with the people involved and we agreed that i would grind with the money i currently have, and will make payments to them untill the debt is gone.
    What happened is that while i owed a lot of money, i went on an enourmous life tilt where i tilted my entire life-roll away. Leaving me with a lot of debt and barely any money. I want to be clear that i never loaned any money when i didnt have more, or equall money behind. Nor any reason to think i would not be able to pay back. As I owe almost all the money to close friends, i would never intentionally screw them over. I just made one giant mistake. However i do take full responsibility for what happened, and will do everything in my power to make it right. Also in hind-sight, i might have thought to little of some of the debts, and should have made more effort to pay them back earlier, when i still had the money. Owing this much is just never a good idea.
    Also i want to be clear I'm not trying to make excuses, or trying to victimize myself.

    Sincerely,

    Berndsen12
    As I think we've spoken about a little before in some games, I think part of the reason you are so tilted is due to the Dutch tax regulations. Even when you crushed the biggest games at the start of the year, you did so without a care because you couldn't really make the most of the cash or move up systematically due to the Dutch law. That could have been mis-reported but iirc it was from an interview with you.

    Anyways, I would suggest that if that issue affects you that much, relocate where that will no longer be a worry.

    If relocation isn't possible, remember 50-70% of something is still enough to have a sick life. Get your debts paid off as soon as possible (but playing within br limits - you owe it to them not to bust) and start again on your own. When you win, buy some things and enjoy the money, don't just move up. Eventually you'll realise that poker is just a job and you'll enjoy winning and have no desire to gamble. At least that's the hope.

    Hope it goes well, for everybody's sake.
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    12-06-2012 , 11:48 AM
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    Originally Posted by pavels4444
    kinda reminds me of fish wishing me cancer when they lose
    Yeah, it was me..
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    12-06-2012 , 12:18 PM
    So many people love to stick the boot in when someone takes a fall.
    Berndsen admitted he made a mistake. He took responsibility for it. The rest is between him and his backers isn't it?
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    12-06-2012 , 12:32 PM
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    Originally Posted by 3tothev
    You have to get laid to get these.
    not always..

    I knew $4.50 was too cheap for a blowjob but curiosity got the best of me
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    12-06-2012 , 12:41 PM
    EDIT: Nevermind
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    12-06-2012 , 04:31 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Berndsen12
    Hello 2+2, as there has been many speculation concerning this issue I feel like its time for a public statement from me.
    The current situation is that i have significant lower amount of liferoll then the money I owe, i've had contact with the people involved and we agreed that i would grind with the money i currently have, and will make payments to them untill the debt is gone.
    What happened is that while i owed a lot of money, i went on an enourmous life tilt where i tilted my entire life-roll away. Leaving me with a lot of debt and barely any money. I want to be clear that i never loaned any money when i didnt have more, or equall money behind. Nor any reason to think i would not be able to pay back. As I owe almost all the money to close friends, i would never intentionally screw them over. I just made one giant mistake. However i do take full responsibility for what happened, and will do everything in my power to make it right. Also in hind-sight, i might have thought to little of some of the debts, and should have made more effort to pay them back earlier, when i still had the money. Owing this much is just never a good idea.
    Also i want to be clear I'm not trying to make excuses, or trying to victimize myself.

    Sincerely,

    Berndsen12
    not the first time degenerate tendencies have got the best of a poker player, won't be the last!

    care to explain how you have no money to pay back loans, yet enough to spew off playing short handed 50/100 plo?
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