Hey guys, just wanna share something...
A little over 2 months ago Berndsen12 asked me if i could loan him 10k, i didnt want to loan, but he ended up asking me for a 1 day loan till he can loan from other guy who couldnt sent at that moment(all this cuz he couldnt deposit for 1 or 2 weeks at that point if i recall correctly), i agreed to loan him 5k for 1 day....
Next day i didnt get any $ back, 1 week later i asked him what happened, he said he couldnt pay back at the moment but he was going to get it. In the meantime talking to other players i realized he owes money to at least 2 more ppl that i know, and it had been a couple of months already w them.
Now i havent heard a thing from him in over 1 month,Im sure he will pay back, but still he didnt stand by what we agreed to, so this might warn u ppl to be careful when lendign money to him as you may not see it for a long time..
Anyway, gl all

too many check raise bluffs then run

..maybe he's crashing on n00ki's sofa?

thanks for the head's up

I know another player he borrowed 5k off and hasn't repaid (prob one of the two players you already know about).

HS players are now scamming each other? 2 months late on a 1 day loan...not sure I would call that just a complication.

The marginal note to section 1 of the Theft Act 1968 describes it as a "basic definition" of theft. Sections 1(1) and (2) provide:

1.-(1) A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and "thief" and "steal" shall be construed accordingly.

(2) It is immaterial whether the appropriation is made with a view to gain, or is made for the thief’s own benefit.

Wow, I knew he was having some issues but...let's see what he has to say about this before throwing him under the bus.

Mis-appropriation - brings me back to my law days! Zak is basically saying that Bernd is treating the loaned money as if it were his own which is effectively akin to theft.

I hope you get your money back. I'm sure he has all intentions to pay you back but it shouldn't be his choice to gamble with your money. A loan that isn't paid back on time should be treated more as a staking arrangement than a loan. You shouldn't be left waiting for him to run up a roll to receive your money. That way he is effectively freerolling with your money and all you stand to get back is your original stake. All of the risk of a staking arrangement with none of the perks. Paying you back with interest will just take even longer to get back and I can't think of anything he can offer you to alleviate it ($5k is a lot of washed dishes!).

In all situations I've seen like this, as a staker with money invested (especially since there are a few of you) unfortunately you have to wait for him to run good to see your money again. You may even have to loan out more money to see a return on your first loan. It's a bit like getting a ball back that's stuck in a tree. Sometimes you have to use another ball to get it back, even if that also runs the risk of getting stuck.

I'd say first of all Bernd needs to be totally honest with his current status. Find out if he is busto, has some money, has some saleable assets, etc. Then you can think of the best way to get your money back. You have to ask him how he plans to pay you back. It isn't likely he's taken your money and you'll never see him again since this is his source of income. It's more likely he's a degen who's made a mistake. As such, he should be compliant with your requests. If he has some money, get him to use strict BR management and as a winning player you'll get your money back eventually. If he is confirmed busto, perhaps the three of you may have to stake $2k each or something and get him to play $60s or whatever as a group you choose so you are getting some money back. This option is bad at the minute since he is in hiding but if he had been honest and apologetic it would have been an idea.

If you did have to go for a staking option, he would need to be fully open with this and confirm all self-restrictions etc are in place. Monitoring this may be more effort than it's worth but it might be the only way you'll see a return. It's alarming he hasn't been in contact though - has anybody seen him at the tables recently?

Can't say that to Harthor too often eh...! (Apologies for the joke - couldn't resist!)

Seems he didnt play anymore since end of September after he busted out of a 5k tourney and he is blocked on most other tracking sites (never a good sign...). http://macropoker.com/en/stats#q:pok...her=&rakeback=

Confirmed degen http://www.highstakesdb.com/profiles...erndsen12.aspx

makes me sad

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18...38/index5.html

the op at this thread posted yesterday hands of this guy.guess he would know when he played

Maybe those are old HHs, but this is something i never get. He probably doesnt play 5k with a 20k bankroll, so if you actually have the money, why dont you pay back the people you owe first before having your reputation dragged into the mud.

Some of those HS Rail hands are older, but all within the last few months.

We used to post new hands, but it's easier to post what people submit, what there is access to, etc. and that's not daily.

That Berns hand was from June i think, but I am not sure. The 5k hands are usually older comparing to hypers bc there isn't a ton of action played in them.

But I can say surely: that hand wasnt from October or September. But it could be from August or earlier.

Any updates on this?

confirmed busto scumbag

Soooo like, has ANYONE been able to contact B12? Nobody knows his side of the story yet, but the longer this drags on the scummier and scummier it gets...

Also quite surprised by how little response this is getting, as if because his name is Berndsen12 nobody dares comment about the situation. If this was some Maxi Stochyk, the sleuths of 2p2 would likely be all over it, no?

Std, in theory B12 is more likely to return the money as he has a reputation to uphold if he wants to play/get staked/whatever in the future. People know that and I guess are less likely to put in hard work tracking him down than someone like Maxi who was a confirmed scammer several times over, where getting the money returned would be a rewarding outcome. I think most people assume B12 will return the money, but just is taking way to long to do it. Also B12 hasnt posted all kinds of random spew and lies in this thread that would cause people to hate him like Maxi did... The two situations are a little different.

Also I assuming that no-one really wants to accuse someone who is a higher profile player than themselves of being a thief and calling them out on it, which is why people are more silent. If it turns out they are wrong then they can hurt their own reputation.

Either way this should be getting more attention, at least because people have to be aware they might not see their monies soon if they lend anything to him.

Owing money for more than 2 months to someone you said you'd pay on the next day is not something to be overlooked imo. Obviously nobody is going to call him a scammer because he hasn't said anything so far and there could be other reasons for the delay, it does look pretty damn ugly regardless.

I hope you get your money soon.

I think the main differences are the way that Maxi scammed people, so maliciously and deliberately. It gets more attention and outcry.

Plus, the OP often drives these threads, at least initially (Maxi thread and others) or the other party posts and that drives the thread (Brocky, AoN thefts).

The third reason is Harthor is a big name pro, so is B12, I think the average poster that plays much lower and knows both of these names sees enough "well he could repay anytime perhaps" doubt to post/flame away, or are just too intimidated by two big name players to jump on the usual hate wagon or even post their opinion.

I don't know the entire situation, but if nobody has talked to B12 since these debts and he's disappeared with no explanation, then it certainly does not look good for repayment at any point in time.

Perhaps tossing his real name into the OP/title will help get his version of the story faster as well.

not that it's any of my concern but he's playing shortstacked 50/100 hu.

is this for real? wtf. I saw him just yesterday playing nlhu 50/100 against a reg at FTP under nick "Sanderb12". Around 8k spread on both tables. So yeah, if he doesnt pay its because he doesnt want to. Also pretty sure b12 must hav a lot of money offline...

is he trying to hide and play on ftp? his session war very short aswell. Wtf!