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If a guy is literally raising 100% of buttons to 3x, and you move to 15/30 level, and he raises to 90, would you wait for a better hand than 67o to shove-steal, if its the first one you attempt?

I mean, is shove-stealing our best option, even, vs a 100% 3x'r?

I feel uncomfortable playing oop vs random range with 10-6, 4-9, q4 you get the point. Esp since opp seems aggro on flop and turn. So I'm not cool with calling.

Is waiting and 3betting better?

09-29-2010 , 03:40 AM

#5302

Gomery

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 334

Why doesn't everyone play 4man HUSNG? Less rake than 2man.

09-29-2010 , 07:52 AM

#5303

ProphetofProfit

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 698

I'm not sure if it's that simple. Using FT's $5+$0.40 4 man games, if a player loses every game, they are effectively paying 8% rake vs the usual 5% because there are no two games to play. If a player wins 100% of games it's 4% rake. I don't know the point where rake is equal and don't care to find out right now.

09-29-2010 , 08:12 AM

#5304

Lespar

enthusiast

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetofProfit

unless you're playing pokerstars microlimits :P

09-29-2010 , 08:14 AM

#5305

ProphetofProfit

adept

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 698

This might be wrong.

P = win percentage

Breakeven point for 5% rake =

P*4+(1-P)*8 = 5 (when you win the first game, rake is 4%, when you lose, rake is 8%)
4P+8-8P = 5
-4P = -3
P = -3/-4 = 0.75

So you'd need to win 75% of games to have rake less than 5%.

09-29-2010 , 04:23 PM

#5306

Gomery

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 334

Yeah it's never as easy as it first looks. Although at Pokerstars micro it's the same rake for both 4man, 2man, 16man and 32man.

09-29-2010 , 04:33 PM

#5307

JSpazz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 6,694

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gomery

Why doesn't everyone play 4man HUSNG? Less rake than 2man.

more variance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetofProfit

I'm pretty sure this is wrong. First you get to play one game for 5% rake, and then if you win, you play a game at doubled stakes for effectively 2.5% rake (you only play it ~1/2 of the time, but the stakes are doubled so that cancels out). Also Stars, Cake and most other major sites supporting 4mans have 5% rake, FT is the black sheep

09-29-2010 , 05:05 PM

#5308

Shove

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 649

Cant fold here, right? Villain more on the passive side, but not that extreme.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
($1,550)
Hero ($1,450)

Dealt to Hero 2

Hero raises to $80, calls $40

FLOP ($160) J

checks, Hero bets $80, raises to $160, Hero calls $80

TURN ($480) J

bets $160, Hero calls $160

RIVER ($800) J

bets $120, Hero calls $120

10-08-2010 , 03:28 PM

#5309

DQS

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 158

from the following:

partypoker
cereus-network
ipoker-network
cake
ongame-network
microgaming-network
pokerroom
doylesroom
bodog
ladbrokes

No rematch option on cereus and ipoker as far as i know.Can't tell anythink about the others sites though.

Last edited by ChicagoRy; 10-08-2010 at 04:05 PM. Reason: mismerged first time

10-28-2010 , 02:04 PM

#5310

-Nasher-

banned

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 109

hey guys, just for convenience and time factot, ill be turning my head to hu sng's

at full tilt, what would you reccomend, the deep stack, normal, or turbo sngs and why?

thanks for any responses.

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