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02-22-2010 , 11:34 PM
My buddy is about to start playing and he's got like no concept at all of how to play. doesn't understand what the button is, shaky on hand rankings (does flush beat a fullhouse kinda thing O.o). I don't really wanna have to walk him through all this really basic stuff. Where's a good compilation of super newbie threads?
02-23-2010 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Punch Dancer
My buddy is about to start playing and he's got like no concept at all of how to play. doesn't understand what the button is, shaky on hand rankings (does flush beat a fullhouse kinda thing O.o). I don't really wanna have to walk him through all this really basic stuff. Where's a good compilation of super newbie threads?
Give him this link:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=poker+hand+rankings
02-23-2010 , 05:37 AM
I am a decent 1/2 2/4 nl Fullring player, but have been thinking of trying HUNL for a change! am I jumping this? should try 6max first before I start playing HU?

also would 25BIs for HU be enough, and where should I start? 50NL or 100NL?

thanks in advance
02-23-2010 , 07:51 AM
I keep hearing/reading the term

" hands that play well post-flop"

What type of hands are we looking for?
02-23-2010 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by bubbled_up
I keep hearing/reading the term

" hands that play well post-flop"

What type of hands are we looking for?
Hands that have good implied odds and low reverse implied odds.

E.g., a hand like K2o plays poorly post-flop despite being relatively decent if getting it in preflop. If it flops a 2, it's difficult to get paid off by a worse hand since there would be few hands worse than BPGK. If it flops a K, you suffer from reverse implied odds since if you play a big pot you can often be up against a better kicker. It also has no ability to make two card flushes or straights.

By contrast, 54s plays well postflop, despite being relatively weak if getting it in preflop. It has the ability to flop OESDs and FDs and make two card straights and flushes. It is more likely to stack an opponent's TP+ since when it does make a monster it doesn't decrease the chances of villain making TP or two pair; the board will also be drawy in those situations, encouraging villain to get it in. It suffers from little reverse implied odds because you will almost never get it in with a pair of 5s or 4s except when you make a monster hand.

Last edited by bluemage55; 02-23-2010 at 08:57 AM.
02-23-2010 , 01:47 PM
this was the 1st hand from a $6 husng

Hero (BTN/SB): t1500 M = 50
BB: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with Q 7
Hero calls t10, BB raises to t40, Hero calls t20

Flop: (t80) 7 8 T (2 players)
BB bets t20, Hero calls t20

Turn: (t120) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80, BB raises to t160, Hero raises to t360, BB calls t200

River: (t840) T (2 players)
BB bets t1080 all in, Hero folds
02-23-2010 , 05:24 PM
I'd flat the turn as villain's line is fairly strong and polarizing.

As played, I'm calling the river readless. It's generally doubtful that villain made a minbet with Tx or 88 on the wet flop.
02-24-2010 , 03:39 AM
I always thought reverse implied odds was used in reference to made hands/the chances of making a hand (ie: post flop decisions), and as such no cards really have reverse implied odds preflop. Like being on the idiot side of a straight draw..
02-24-2010 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by checkm8
I always thought reverse implied odds was used in reference to made hands/the chances of making a hand (ie: post flop decisions), and as such no cards really have reverse implied odds preflop. Like being on the idiot side of a straight draw..
Reverse implied odds are the opposite of implied odds, which is the likelihood that they will pay off an opponent when you make a hand with them. This usually applies post-, but applies pre- too.
02-24-2010 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bluemage55
Hands that have good implied odds and low reverse implied odds.

E.g., a hand like K2o plays poorly post-flop despite being relatively decent if getting it in preflop. If it flops a 2, it's difficult to get paid off by a worse hand since there would be few hands worse than BPGK. If it flops a K, you suffer from reverse implied odds since if you play a big pot you can often be up against a better kicker. It also has no ability to make two card flushes or straights.

By contrast, 54s plays well postflop, despite being relatively weak if getting it in preflop. It has the ability to flop OESDs and FDs and make two card straights and flushes. It is more likely to stack an opponent's TP+ since when it does make a monster it doesn't decrease the chances of villain making TP or two pair; the board will also be drawy in those situations, encouraging villain to get it in. It suffers from little reverse implied odds because you will almost never get it in with a pair of 5s or 4s except when you make a monster hand.
Can we include suited 1 gap cards like 35 46 57 ?.....also how about 2 gaps
02-24-2010 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bluemage55
I'd flat the turn as villain's line is fairly strong and polarizing.

As played, I'm calling the river readless. It's generally doubtful that villain made a minbet with Tx or 88 on the wet flop.
ty for the answer. what range do you put him on after the turn minraise?? can we include some draws??
02-24-2010 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bubbled_up
Can we include suited 1 gap cards like 35 46 57 ?.....also how about 2 gaps
Hands don't fall into a blanket category of "plays well post-" and "doesn't play well post-". It's a continuum from really bad to really good and everything in between. The specific implied odds and reverse implied odds of any given hand also varies according to the opponent's range and playstyle, as well as position.

In any case, it sounds like you are asking for a preflop range to play with. What in particular are you looking for? A button raising range? A BB calling range?
02-24-2010 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerGia
ty for the answer. what range do you put him on after the turn minraise?? can we include some draws??
It's difficult to get a specific range without reads and given what looks to be a donkey villain.

Readless I wouldn't expect to many draws as the turn minraise is usually a cheap bluff or an attempt to reel you in with a monster.
02-24-2010 , 06:08 PM
Can anyone explain how staking someone in husngs works? I m thinking of maybe staking a player I know so he can play 50s but im unsure how the profit sharign thing works.
02-24-2010 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by viennashaker
Can anyone explain how staking someone in husngs works? I m thinking of maybe staking a player I know so he can play 50s but im unsure how the profit sharign thing works.
It works the same as for any other form of poker. You can buy some percentage of their action for a corresponding cut, or set up some variation of the typical 80/20 staking arrangement where you provide the entire stack in return for 80% of the profit.
02-24-2010 , 07:21 PM
Generally the more games you stake someone for, the less % you can take.

If you bought me into a $100 game and took 75%, it would be a bad deal.

If you staked me for 500 $100 games and took 50%, it'd be a good deal.

Make sure you specify volume, opt outs, anything having to do with money (cashout, re-up, send back on heaters, etc.) and buyin levels. Also make sure it is clear exactly what game the stake is for.

I usually have stakees send IDs and give a phone number and address. I've done it without, but for people I don't know of very well, it's a necessity imo.
02-24-2010 , 07:53 PM
Anyone else just have chat turned off? No one ever has anything of worth to say.
02-24-2010 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lampshade151
Anyone else just have chat turned off? No one ever has anything of worth to say.
winning the chat is half the battle
02-24-2010 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by xSCWx
winning the chat is half the battle
Sadly it's the half that doesn't count, i think i'm pretty good at it if i can be bothered.
02-25-2010 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by xSCWx
winning the chat is half the battle
lol
02-25-2010 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoRy
Generally the more games you stake someone for, the less % you can take.

If you bought me into a $100 game and took 75%, it would be a bad deal.

If you staked me for 500 $100 games and took 50%, it'd be a good deal.

Make sure you specify volume, opt outs, anything having to do with money (cashout, re-up, send back on heaters, etc.) and buyin levels. Also make sure it is clear exactly what game the stake is for.

I usually have stakees send IDs and give a phone number and address. I've done it without, but for people I don't know of very well, it's a necessity imo.
K thansk for the answer, at the end of the say 500 games, do I get the money I sent back andmy share of the profits or do I only get the profits
02-25-2010 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 1comeprepared
Sadly it's the half that doesn't count, i think i'm pretty good at it if i can be bothered.
If defending your family honor doesn't count then I don't know what does.
02-25-2010 , 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by xSCWx
winning the chat is half the battle
Not anymore.
02-25-2010 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Lampshade151
Anyone else just have chat turned off? No one ever has anything of worth to say.
totally disagree with this, i find at least 3 major uses:

1) opponent gives away info on hand, thinking process, and/or skill level
2) challenge villain and/or set up rematches, HU4ROLLZ, etc.
3) laugh when villain curses you out

fwiw i generally don't say much in chat, i let the villains do most of the talking.
02-25-2010 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bluemage55
Hands don't fall into a blanket category of "plays well post-" and "doesn't play well post-". It's a continuum from really bad to really good and everything in between. The specific implied odds and reverse implied odds of any given hand also varies according to the opponent's range and playstyle, as well as position.

In any case, it sounds like you are asking for a preflop range to play with. What in particular are you looking for? A button raising range? A BB calling range?

Yeh ...i guess that is what im kinda asking....basically when mini raised at the low blind levels OOP i have been using a calling range of

A7+, A2s+ ,K9+ ,K7s+,QTo+,Q9s+ ,22+ 87s+.


If raised more i tighten my calling range to

A9+,A8s+, any 2 broadways, 66+.


I 3bet AQ+ TT+ sometimes 99.

What im not comfortable with and i think this where my "hands that play well post flop "question comes in.

Is that when im being raise alot by aggro players i quite often go through a card dead run of not being dealt my A9+,A8s+, any 2 broadways, 66+ calling range or 3bet range.

So i guess im asking should i just keep folding and accept the card dead run or is their some of these "hands that play well post flop " i can add to my range.

I know a lot of the things im asking depends on the player,but i dont feel im quite at that level yet and just want to get a better grasp of the math side as i feel my player reading skills are only going to improve the more i play.

Also please add any thoughts on my OOP ranges that im using at the $10/$20 HUSNG buyins...cheers

      
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