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01-08-2011 , 12:29 PM
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01-08-2011 , 03:44 PM
Is it me or is it ridiculous how headsup has dried up this year?
At the 6.25$'s (lol) it feels like all the fish got educated, its not like they are good but they raise preflop/dont call 3 streets with medium pair etc. Most people I meet are frustrated regs (kinda like me) who are stuck 3k+ games at the 6.25$'s. I feel I have an edge on them, but its not much.

12 months ago I could just shove my top 10% pre at the 6.25$'s and I could make a profit lol.
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01-09-2011 , 07:36 AM
Are 0-8 streaks normal?

I started playing them and going 0-8, biggest winning streak so far is 3-0

and 30 buyin bankroll is enough? I am a winning 6 max cash player
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01-09-2011 , 07:44 AM
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Are 0-8 streaks normal?

I started playing them and going 0-8, biggest winning streak so far is 3-0

and 30 buyin bankroll is enough? I am a winning 6 max cash player
0-8 can happen to anyone
Yes 30 BI is enough, read FAQ
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01-09-2011 , 07:50 AM
what happens when you feel like your being railroaded

every c-bet is countered with 3-bet (i dont cbet above 60%-70%) i get 3 bet pre all the time holding diddly squat. Then when i decide to 4 bet bluff i get shoved on!!

then every time i cbet with catching the flop they fold.

Then im down to 1000 chips with 50 bb and get 3 bet, shove a9 and they turn over aj

Do you tighten up, widen your value range and go aggressively! or start finding bluff spots more??
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01-09-2011 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RomforFD
what happens when you feel like your being railroaded

every c-bet is countered with 3-bet (i dont cbet above 60%-70%) i get 3 bet pre all the time holding diddly squat. Then when i decide to 4 bet bluff i get shoved on!!

then every time i cbet with catching the flop they fold.

Then im down to 1000 chips with 50 bb and get 3 bet, shove a9 and they turn over aj

Do you tighten up, widen your value range and go aggressively! or start finding bluff spots more??
yes it happens, just played w a dude that pulled the minraise/min4bet/fold line on flop or turn like 4-5 times in a match and obv lost AJ > AK. Just play your usual game and widen your GII ranges, kick out some bluffs in spots where you always get raised etc. If they end up showing monsters all the time that sux but fish wouldn't keep playing if they never had a lucky day
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01-09-2011 , 11:21 AM
You could consider calling 3bets, no need to 4bet bluff.
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01-09-2011 , 11:50 AM
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 2 players -

Hero (BB): t1210 24.20 BBs
BTN/SB: t1790 35.80 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with 8 8
BTN/SB raises to t100, Hero calls t50

Flop: (t200) 7 2 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t100

This guy has been really aggressive but does know how to fold. Haven't raised that much pre but keeps betting halfpot on flop, calling most of my bets.

What's your move here?
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01-09-2011 , 01:45 PM
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players

Hero (BTN/SB): t1530 76.50 BBs
BB: t1470 73.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 K
Hero raises to t50, BB calls t30

Flop: (t100) J 9 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t100) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t100) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t380


How much do you bet river for value? He has been tight and I have been quit aggressive.
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01-09-2011 , 02:17 PM
First one /if he doesn't cbet often i fold but if he c bet 75% of the time i call
Second one/I would said a minibet or half the pot
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01-09-2011 , 04:03 PM
First one I often 3bet preflop or even shove over his minraise at these stacksizes. As played a check-call seems good. The turnplay could be more interesting against an agressive player.

I like the 2nd hand. Although I usually make it a little smaller betting this big is cool.
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01-09-2011 , 04:10 PM
Thanks guys. So what's your plan for further streets in the first hand?
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01-09-2011 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Milkyway
Is it me or is it ridiculous how headsup has dried up this year?
At the 6.25$'s (lol) it feels like all the fish got educated, its not like they are good but they raise preflop/dont call 3 streets with medium pair etc. Most people I meet are frustrated regs (kinda like me) who are stuck 3k+ games at the 6.25$'s. I feel I have an edge on them, but its not much.

12 months ago I could just shove my top 10% pre at the 6.25$'s and I could make a profit lol.
I think this is a little extreme.

I've coached and talked to a lot of newer players and the #1 thing holding people back has always been a lack of dedication. This includes focus, not tilting and most importantly working hard to improve your game.

Also, even tougher games don't mean smaller edges. Quality information and tools to help you improve your game has progressed to an absurd level in this game in the last few years. Look at forum posts, hand advice and general strategy discussion in the heads up forum back in 2007, even from very good players at the time. Then compare that to hands posted and advice given in the forum today. You can see a massive difference in the advice you can get and how fast you can really learn this game if you apply yourself.

That's not to take anything away from you, but every level is still very beatable, and at many stakes the people that did the best in 2010 made more money than players did in the past at the same levels, so you could even say there's more attainable profit in the game than at any other time in history (for husngs) and you'd have a fairly strong case.

Skill level will always improve outside of some temporary massive addition of new clueless players willing to put up money for entertainment. But the tools available to help you beat better players improve too. Just stay ahead of the curve and you should make more money each year if you work hard.

Some people will say "but the games will eventually become unbeatable or no edge." That is when it is time for a new structure. And the poker rooms will certainly oblige, as volume and ultimately profit goes down when there's not much monetary incentive for players to play a game format. No edge/unbeatable looks very far off still though, if you look at profits, edges, ROI and so on for players across all levels of play.
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01-09-2011 , 07:10 PM
Thats true
After an 8 months break I now need money, so I decided to start playing again. Kinda got demotivated to see so many regfish in the 6.25$'s, afraid of what I will see at the 22-33$'s if I do eventually get there.

I wonder if the money distribution changed in 2010 compared to 2009-2010. (As in, perhaps the top tier (sharkscope list) made more, yet the average reg made less)
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01-10-2011 , 07:10 AM


Hi guys, this is my first experience of hu sng after a lot of cash 6max @ micros.
I lurked this forum so much then I started with 5$ normal, after 2 weeks I moved to 10$.

Is it too small my sample size to level up @ 20$ normal? I'm rolled 30x for 20$ and I'm monotabling. My EV line is +2BI
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01-10-2011 , 08:22 AM
How many BI's do i need to start one-tabling the 5$s? And how many for two-tabling?

Thanks in advance.
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01-10-2011 , 09:41 AM
I've built up from as low as 50$ single-tabling the 5's.

I think, generally, anything under 50 and you should be playing the 2's, though I'd not move down till I hit 24$.

Which brings me to my question...


Playing the 2's, then 5's, and now dabbling in the 10's and 20's, I'm starting to run into regs, esp at the 20's. This is something I've not had to deal with before. They 3x 80% of buttons and are tight from the bb.

My old approach at the 5's of raising only for value would make me pretty exploitable.

So basically, idk what to do. I haven't had to face many winning players before. I'm scoping them and seeing one 60-65% win rate after another.

I'm looking for a default approach against said villian.

I'm stuck between a smart, laggy style-- opening 100% of buttons and pressuring them into spew, or just playing a solid, 2p2 style game anyway, with 80% button open etc.

Just before, I had k10hh oop. I was lagging it up against a winning reg. We were 5 minutes into 15/30 and I still hadn't folded a button. I had a 350 point chip lead.

He 3x and I call. flop is k-8-9dd.

I donked and he shoves.

This was only my second donk, the other being on a str8t draw.

He really hadn't gotten out of line at all, and so was slowly bleeding chips to me. And honestly, I had no idea what to do. Do you lay this down here against the average reg at the 20's?

Any advice on playing the regs at the 20's and 10's?

And please don't tell me they are the same pool as the 5's, because that is not true.

Maybe it's just time for me to get a husng membership
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01-10-2011 , 12:19 PM
why on stars is there a checkbox for "check/call any"? Is there ever a time this could actually make sense to use? I can't think of any for sure.
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01-10-2011 , 12:46 PM
check call any is some outdated mechanic that was very fish friendly but make obviously no sense for us now, but i guess it made sense when game was full of passive calling stations playing limit games 5 years ago
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01-10-2011 , 02:35 PM
So this is just a question about Heads up sitngos in general. I've been finding I'm winning at a decent clip at the pokerstars $11.50 sit-n-gos (60%), but only over about 50 tourneys. I find that there are two types of players, the absolute fish and the standard LAG player. I want to play more of these tourneys since I'm not really making any money playing the $4.40 180 man sitngos.

The fish tend to not understand bet sizing at all; they min-bet every street when they have made a pair. They fold way too many hands (30 or 40%) to a standard 3x raise. They rarely 3-bet, and usually will commit all their chips with TPGK or worse. I usually play pretty fast, trying to get the fish to commit enough chips to make the shove on the river work if I hit big. I try not to be too bluffy because fish very rarely know where the fold button is in these tourneys. They'll float almost anything if they have an ace or a king in their hands so I will slow down on the river if paint pops off.

The regulars play pretty aggressive and I've done ok against them, not ready to say I'm 'good' against them but usually I'm not very lost in the hands. Usually when faced with someone constantly juicing the pot I'll play a little tighter and try and 3 or 4-bet pre with super-strong hands to force big decisions post-flop. If I'm shortstacked I widen my shoving range preflop especially when the blinds are 50/100 (on a 1500 chip starting stack).

Anyways, curious about the community's take on play at these stakes, whether playing these HU sitngos can be profitable compared to 180 man tourneys. Also curious as to thoughts of 2 man heads up vs 4 man heads up. I like the 4 man heads up because the players can be very weak at times and the profit is larger, I only have to beat two players to earn 4 BIs.
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01-10-2011 , 04:56 PM
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1115819
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1500 75 BBs
BB: t1500 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with Q 6
Hero calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t40) 8 3 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t40) Q (2 players)
BB bets t60

First hand no reads. If I call, what's my river plan?

Also, with what range do I call a shove in the first hand on 5$s?
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01-10-2011 , 05:24 PM
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1115862
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BB: t1400 46.67 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1600 53.33 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 3 A
Hero raises to t75, BB calls t45

Flop: (t150) J J A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t150) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t180

I have pushed AI once against he's 4bb BTN raise and he folded. No real reads as he seems to change his game alot. Raised pre since I haven't done it in a while, thought I could get a fold and if he calls I still have a decent hand.

What's your guys flop play? If I bet I believe he folds anything I have beat.
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01-10-2011 , 06:01 PM
Lead out on the flop when he checks
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01-10-2011 , 06:38 PM
Hello

I've just started playing HU sit n go's after running bad at 6 max sit n go's and I've noticed the competition is a lot easier, at least with my relatively small sample size. Right now, my roll is 127 dollars and I play 10 dollar sit n gos, which is perhaps a bit high. My thinking was that the difference in quality between 5 and 10 buck games was small so it would be +EV to go up stakes a bit.

Now, trying to not sound cocky, I'm certain I can increase my roll a great deal, if my last dozen or so matches is anything to go by. So I was wondering what people's advice was on BR management. If, as I hope, I'll be able to play 20 dollar HU sit n gos soon, what would you suggest my bankroll should be before I attempt to move up and is there a dramatic increase in quality between these 2 levels?

Cheers
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01-10-2011 , 06:40 PM
how are you sure you beat the games after playing ~50 games at most?
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