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12-14-2010 , 03:21 AM
This has always bugged me.

It tilts me to no end.

Why do randoms only rematch you if they win, and snap-quit once you win one?

I lol at it, but it still tilts me when someone wins an ak vs a8o to seal game one, and snap-accepts. Then gets in bad somehow in game 2 and wins, and snap-accepts. Soon as your cards hold up, they time allllllllllllllllllllllll the way down so as to not have to actually hit the decline button.

$%^&&&$$

What is it?
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12-14-2010 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Doggg
This has always bugged me.

It tilts me to no end.

Why do randoms only rematch you if they win, and snap-quit once you win one?

I lol at it, but it still tilts me when someone wins an ak vs a8o to seal game one, and snap-accepts. Then gets in bad somehow in game 2 and wins, and snap-accepts. Soon as your cards hold up, they time allllllllllllllllllllllll the way down so as to not have to actually hit the decline button.

$%^&&&$$

What is it?
doggg,

your mistake is assuming there is some sort of good reason.

a lot of people play poker like they play craps. lucky shooter. quit after you win. etc.
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12-14-2010 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Doggg

What is it?
Maybe they wake up from there little bubble and realize you are a better player.

I usually decline vs good players and many of them decline vs me to.

I also decline vs some OK players that i can beat aswell, mainly because i haven't got my grind on yet and usually play one game and then take a short break before i play the next one.
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12-14-2010 , 08:32 AM
modchop,

i think you need to work on bet sizing. if you bet 120 on flop 320 on turn you leave a nice bet/shove on river.
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12-14-2010 , 08:34 AM
The villain has been pretty tight and passive. It's a snap fold here right? It puzzled me because a few hands later he did a similar push witha gutshot straight draw on the turn.

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1074999
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN/SB: t1420 71 BBs
Hero (BB): t1580 79 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with J 3
BTN/SB calls t10, Hero checks

Flop: (t40) 5 2 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t20, BTN/SB calls t20

Turn: (t80) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

River: (t80) J (2 players)
Hero bets t40, BTN/SB raises to t1380 all in


EDIT: hm... looking back that's not how I remembered it >.<

Last edited by Lespar; 12-14-2010 at 08:46 AM.
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12-14-2010 , 08:45 AM
i would probaby call this

had a similar line yesterday and villian turned over mpwk!

you mention villian was tight passive. my line might be spewy in that case.
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12-14-2010 , 09:16 AM
first hand villian unknow $5 husng

ajs is it spewy for aipf
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12-14-2010 , 01:51 PM
If I was running good, I'd snap that at the 5's.

But yer gonna be flipping, for sure, vs 44 or smthn.
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12-14-2010 , 02:47 PM
Opp is limping 80%+ of buttons, and has shown he can fold post.

I've been 3betting 109+, j9+, q9+.

Are those bottom 3 gonna cost me too much in the long run, or does it look ok?


Edit: Oh. And opp rarely folds to 3bets.

Last edited by Doggg; 12-14-2010 at 03:10 PM.
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12-14-2010 , 04:18 PM
That mostly depends on how he plays postflop (does he fold a lot to C-bets? Does he call too many barrels...). But that range seems ok to me. Maybe a little loose with the J9o-K9o but if villain's bad postflop you can raise even more hands.
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12-14-2010 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dandy warhol
What are standard amounts for 3-bet pf and raise on/after the flop in Poker Stars HUSNG Turbos?
Bump. Any thoughts on this? Thanks!
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12-14-2010 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dandy warhol
What are standard amounts for 3-bet pf and raise on/after the flop in Poker Stars HUSNG Turbos?
your 3bet size should depend on number of BB in effective stacks rather than the tourney structure.

The standard floating around is usually 3x though don't ever have a set rule like this.

example 1, 15/30 1500stack.
villain sb min raise to 60
Hero 3bets to 180/200

never ever min 3bet here, your not getting enough value with your strong hands and giving him odds to call super wide (close to 100%) against your trash. 3betting small in general has this effect and usually turns your hand face up (most weak villains do this with monsters)

If villain is calling 3bets wide than you want to tighten your 3betting range and raise the 3bet size. Another thing to consider when stacks get short is if your 3betting >1/3 of your stack than your effectivly committing to a go and go so be aware of comitting to much of your stack pre (not saying it's a bad thing, go and go's are v.profitable against these oppenents if you work out a decent range to do it with).

example 2.
15/30 stacks 1500 villain is cbetting 80%
villain in sb min raises to 60
hero calls w/ JTo
Flop KK2r hero checks, villan bets 80 into 120
hero c/r to 200-240

here is a spot where your raising as a bluff, you don't want to min raise since that gives villain odds to call and raising over 3x won't get any more fold equity so go for 2.5-3x

(keep in mind that clicking back against a bunch of micro stakes fish works almost as well as 3x since they dnt rly care bout raise sizes (dnt know what stakes you play))

example 3.
25/50 1500 e.stack. villain has been cbetting 80%, otherwise not to tricky post flop,
villain sb raises to 100, hero calls w/A9o
flop A92cc hero checks, villain bets 120 hero raises to 240-300.

Here i like a min raise instead of 3x since it gets a much wider calling range (debateble and v.oppenet dependant tbf) playing for stacks on turn/river is just as easy with a min raised pot as a 3x pot while playing for stacks w/ just calling will be more difficult.



A nice rule to have (hypocrite i know :P) against non thinking players is to bluff raise small and value raise high.

so in short 3x won't get you into trouble to often above say 40bb, though it's not always (not even that often) max ev.
when trying to think of raise size make sure to include effective stack size and what your stack to pot ratio will look like on future streets (imo this is the most important variable)

hope that helps
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12-14-2010 , 09:20 PM
It's fairly late, so maybe this is a bad play and I'm just tired.

Villain is a clear LAG even after a small sample. He was 81/75 after 17 hands, althoug I have little read on his Postflop play. He'd c/r me 3 times in that short sample which leans me to giving them less respect, but I know nothing else.

We're so deep which makes this look horrible in hindsight. I raised to 50 as he'd 3bet me 3/5 times and I was looking to adapt for this with a smaller raise size. Up until now he'd been running over me. Does he turn up with draws/bluffs enough to justify? I'm calling it now as a spew due to tiredness, really, and should have let the turn go.

Everest Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10.00/t20.00 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t1500.00 75 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1500.00 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 A
Hero raises to t50, BB calls t30

Flop: (t100) 3 7 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80.00, BB raises to t160, Hero calls t80

Turn: (t420) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t250.00, BB raises to t1170, Hero raises to t1290, BB calls t120

River: (t3000) 5 (2 players)
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12-14-2010 , 10:02 PM
Maniacs who overbet and shove alot pre-flop are so painful to play against. I always seem to have only one flip chance against them whilst they generally get two against me. I have three total game histories that are as boring as hell, because they mainly consist of me limp folding to these spewtards. Is there anywhere in this forum you can post GAME hand history reviews? or is this not really possible?

cheers,
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12-15-2010 , 02:26 AM
For those who play both HUSNG and MTT on a regular basis:

What program do you use for keeping track of your HUSNG and/or MTT results? I saw RyPac13 from HUSNG.com uses Tourney Manager in his video and the program seemed quite enough for tracking HUSNG's (nothing much to talk about here, ldo) but maybe not for MTTs, because they have issues w/ importing satellites, 45-max, etc etc.

Do you instead just use HEM or PT?
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12-15-2010 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Firegoat777
Maniacs who overbet and shove alot pre-flop are so painful to play against. I always seem to have only one flip chance against them whilst they generally get two against me. I have three total game histories that are as boring as hell, because they mainly consist of me limp folding to these spewtards. Is there anywhere in this forum you can post GAME hand history reviews? or is this not really possible?

cheers,
http://www.handconverter.com/

copy entire game text into convterter. make sure you select show results.
Post link to hand in thread w/ proper title
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12-15-2010 , 07:55 AM
This goes under "you learn something new every day."

Not really a question, but instructional, I think.

Tight player. First 4bet all match. I knew exactly what he had. But how can I fold to that minbet, ya know? Never happening.

Full Tilt Poker Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): t1590 79.50 BBs
BTN/SB: t1410 70.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 9 A
BTN/SB calls t10, Hero raises to t60, BTN/SB raises to t100, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t200) 8 T A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t200, Hero raises to t1490 all in, BTN/SB calls t1110 all in

Turn: (t2820) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t2820) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: t2820
Hero shows 9c Ad (a flush, Ace high)
BTN/SB shows Kd As (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
BTN/SB wins t2820


I thought for sure, with the flush draw, the backdoor straight, the tp, I was a slight favorite against ak, esp with the Ac on board.

So I stoved it...


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.005 secs 198,000 games/sec

Board: 8c Tc Ac
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.273% 46.67% 00.61% 462 6.00 { Ad9c }
Hand 1: 52.727% 52.12% 00.61% 516 6.00 { AsKd }



Oops.

Does anybody think we have ANY fold equity in this spot?

Like .001, maybe?
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12-15-2010 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by theaddicane
It's fairly late, so maybe this is a bad play and I'm just tired.

Villain is a clear LAG even after a small sample. He was 81/75 after 17 hands, althoug I have little read on his Postflop play. He'd c/r me 3 times in that short sample which leans me to giving them less respect, but I know nothing else.

We're so deep which makes this look horrible in hindsight. I raised to 50 as he'd 3bet me 3/5 times and I was looking to adapt for this with a smaller raise size. Up until now he'd been running over me. Does he turn up with draws/bluffs enough to justify? I'm calling it now as a spew due to tiredness, really, and should have let the turn go.

Everest Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10.00/t20.00 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t1500.00 75 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1500.00 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 7 A
Hero raises to t50, BB calls t30

Flop: (t100) 3 7 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t80.00, BB raises to t160, Hero calls t80

Turn: (t420) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t250.00, BB raises to t1170, Hero raises to t1290, BB calls t120

River: (t3000) 5 (2 players)

I'd 3bet 400/call on the flop
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12-15-2010 , 12:34 PM
Standard spot i guess.Not for me though.So,villain was raising about 85% of the hands from the button over 40 hands.This is the 3rd time i 3bet shove over his raise in the last 4 hands when i was in the bb(i had 88 and ak in the first two).Is shoving here 20bb deep spew?


Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN/SB: t2000 50 BBs
Hero (BB): t1000 25 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with 3 A
BTN/SB raises to t120, Hero raises to t1000 all in, BTN/SB calls t880

Flop: (t2000) 7 2 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2000) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2000) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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12-15-2010 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MechanicalBoy
I'd 3bet 400/call on the flop
Cheers, pal. I think that's a better play.
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12-15-2010 , 05:28 PM
Just wondering where all of the pre-split husng threads from the past are. In the hunl forum? archives?
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12-15-2010 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Doggg
Just wondering where all of the pre-split husng threads from the past are. In the hunl forum? archives?
We moved a lot of the popular ones (and FAQ ones) over to this forum previously.

If you have any specific thread you want moved, you can PM pasterbator directly to have it moved or just PM me and I'll ask him or cwar to do it for us.
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12-15-2010 , 05:57 PM
In one of those $10 knock out tournement.

Should I have shoved here......

Poker Stars $5.00+$5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BB: t1170 7.80 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1830 12.20 BBs

Pre Flop: (t225) Hero is BTN/SB with 4 J
Hero calls t75, BB checks

Flop: (t300) T A 9 (2 players)
BB bets t150, Hero folds
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12-15-2010 , 05:59 PM
also

cy in the beginners sticky there is a great post about 25/50 husng play where are the other parts of it are they on the husng forum!!
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12-15-2010 , 07:06 PM
I was playing super turbos at the $2 stakes and for my first 300 I was up around $25.. I think I can beat these quite decently at this level

However today I have had a horrible day I ran 15 BIs under EV over 70 games.. and not only the all-ins were bad.. it was the kind of day where a guy raises every button 3x, I go all in with A9 and he happens to have AT.. i had a lot of those which I guess dont show up on the EV line.. so overall I ran really bad

now I just have around 25 BIs for the $2 turbos.. should I go down? Or can I expect a freak day like day to be that- a freak day? I dont understand when to move down - bcos this might be part of variance so I'm not sure whether you should move down as soon as you dont have the 50BIs for a given low stake
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