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Old 03-06-2015, 05:03 PM   #1
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Basic pre spot against a 3bet

Villain runs 56/42 with 21% 3bet (667 hands).

Is this a call? What range do you defend here? Villain is somewhat passive and cbets around 50% in 3bet pots.

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Old 03-06-2015, 08:59 PM   #2
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Re: Basic pre spot against a 3bet

75bb deep ye why not, it's suiteeed
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Old 03-07-2015, 06:57 AM   #3
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Re: Basic pre spot against a 3bet

I would estimate that this is a good defend against 21% 75bb deep. Interested on other thoughts though.
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Old 03-08-2015, 12:46 AM   #4
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Re: Basic pre spot against a 3bet

Just don fold. Calling is better than folding. Don mind a 4b to 295 tho
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:09 AM   #5
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Re: Basic pre spot against a 3bet

Whats his preflop stats OOP? He seems tight, i would fold and wait a better spot
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Old 03-10-2015, 10:04 AM   #6
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Re: Basic pre spot against a 3bet

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Whats his preflop stats OOP? He seems tight, i would fold and wait a better spot
Wut?

He's already said, Villain is 3betting 21%.

OP, everything else>folding.
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Old 03-16-2015, 03:11 PM   #7
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Wut?

He's already said, Villain is 3betting 21%.

OP, everything else>folding.


But i would like to kmow his flatting range
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Old 03-16-2015, 03:13 PM   #8
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But i would like to kmow his flatting range
hmmm I can't see how this is relevant if we know his 3bet range?
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Old 03-18-2015, 06:10 AM   #9
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hmmm I can't see how this is relevant if we know his 3bet range?
maybe he flats only 20% and 3bets 21%. so by minraising your btn u printing chips. and this 3b is kinda bigish. if villain plays bad post, like never give up with AKAQ AJ if didnt hit, and stacks off to raise I would call. If villain somehow balanced and in 3bet pots you feel like is guessing game then is not bad to fold - less variance. id better call w 78s, 89s than 7Js
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Old 03-18-2015, 09:57 AM   #10
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maybe he flats only 20% and 3bets 21%. so by minraising your btn u printing chips. and this 3b is kinda bigish. if villain plays bad post, like never give up with AKAQ AJ if didnt hit, and stacks off to raise I would call. If villain somehow balanced and in 3bet pots you feel like is guessing game then is not bad to fold - less variance. id better call w 78s, 89s than 7Js
I don't see how it makes a difference if he is flatting 50% or flatting 20%. That doesn't really affect his 3bet range. 21% of all hands is 21% all of hands regardless of his flatting range. People are more likely to be 3betting a polarized range at 21% than a linear one, so say he has a 3bet/calling range of 7% and a 3bet bluff range of 14%. I think this makes it a standard call given the stack depth and postflop playability of our hand.

Also, the 3bet may not be big and may be his standard sizing.
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Old 03-19-2015, 09:01 AM   #11
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Re: Basic pre spot against a 3bet

I prefer to call with 89s, JTs kind of hands
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Old 03-19-2015, 10:22 AM   #12
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I prefer to call with 89s, JTs kind of hands
I think you are probably folding too much to 3bets
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Old 03-20-2015, 12:51 AM   #13
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Re: Basic pre spot against a 3bet

Not enough info... I haven't played a hand in months. Still, what does he do after he cbets? Is he dbl barreling? What size bet is he cbetting with typically? Does he pay off? Where is his biggest leak? You have a ton of hands on him, this should be an easy situation.

You're flopping a draw in a lot of cases, if he's barreling hard you could be losing too much if you aren't able to steal the hand enough. If you can steal it often, it's a no brainer.
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