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but you know you are in trouble if you have to break out the academic credentials to try to win an arguement. embarassing

yep

lol the comparisions are the worst.

i think what op did is perfectly O.K. as his suggestions is in both players interest in saving time
op would save the time of grinding his money out of villain, villain would have transferred the money right away without the need to play. he could have played fish that time, too.

all interventions by the support are ridicolus, the support has nothing to do with this in the first place and interfered with random justice. now I know why I will not grind on FT.

Well this thread has gone to ****. How about we split the thread into 2 pieces, one for people who actually play the games and have opinions that matter, and one for people who want to debate politics/legality/ethics/morals but don't know **** about poker...

do you play husngs

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nemo youre the douche here, the story you told I could see the tears in your eyes, grow the **** up

ethics and legality have nothing to do with poker? lol
are you saying that those who want to make poker illegal are right...?

nope and don't think you'll see me here telling the high stakes HUSNG guys what is best for their games like you try to do in every KotH thread even though you play low stakes SNGs.

No I am saying that the people taking this personally and arguing the philosophical merits of both sides just for the sake of argument/debate are derailing the thread, and that, imo, this is an issue best handled by the people who are directly involved in the games. It is fine for people to have this argument just for fun, and it might even be entertaining for some, but when 8 posts in a row are a back and forth of academic arguments between 2 people who have probably never played a HUSNG above 22s, it takes away from the value of the thread (again imo)

Cliffs: Nemo did nothing illegal, but FT also did nothing illegal. Thats how it works on every poker site, read their tos. They pretty much can do whatever they want, and considering the fact that 95% of their players are playing for fun, and not for living, they did what they did.
Not sure what is the purpose of this thread, when FT says their decision is final - its final, they wont change it. Be smarter next time.

so if u play a hu sng with someone and u tell them to never sit w/ you again, do they have to oblige?

They booted him out of RUNNING games and he was blinded out of them.

95% of the players are recreational??!?!?

This thread is already full of enough crap stop posting your useless 2 cents.

The goal of this thread was imo to get some attention to the situation. Most HU SNG grinders believe there were better ways to handle the issue, such as what Mers said with the banning chat first.

We obviously don't want people berating fish or motivating them to improve their game. I understand what FTP is upset about and that they want to intervene. The way they did it though was extremely unprofessional and they should 100% take some accountability.

Look at the precedence this sets for other regs to find loopholes to gain invincibility towards other better regs who have to sit on their hands and watch their hourly plummet further. Yes, nemo went after the guy in lower stakes / diff formats then he usually plays. But then the guy comes and plays the same games and same stakes as nemo, in an environment where nemo is notoriously known for sitting most people, and he has to now not sit the guy otherwise he gets booted from the site completely?? If they want to make a point here with him, and treat this case as a specific incident, then why not just tell nemo he cannot sit this guy in other formats then the games they see he normally plays?

Someone said there is a FTP rep lurking these waters. Doug is his name? Would like to see him chime in on this.

LiarsDice how bout you stop posting and stfu? Thanks.
Well, booting him from running games is not right and he should get his buy-ins back. But according to their TOS they can do it, they can ban whoever they want whenever they want. So get your facts straight before posting another load of crap.

Nice retort. I won't fight w/ you on some forum where you obviously don't have a clue (lol @ 95% players recreational).

/ talking to you putting you on ignore

Would really want to hear FTP's take on all this. I mean if Nemo was denied to ever play that player again because of the asking money thing,i see no problem in that from my POV.What Nemo did was unethical,but so is regs timing down on you so you stop sitting them and sites do nothing against it,so lot of sketchy stuff here,and much better ToS is needed really,that will take out a lot of gray stuff.

If he was not allowed to play him anymore because of the stalking and stuff than it's a complete load of crap imo. This is the whole idea behind husngs, YOU CAN NOT DENY ACTION once you sit. Site shouldn't care if Nemo followed him down to 20$ SNGs,the other player can wait and sit second in SNGs or go to cash where he can deny action like most.They could chat ban him if Nemo disrespected G1shot a lot,but in no way stop him from ever sitting him.

Umm, no? As long as you don't ask them to pay you money not to sit with them.

imo nemo has every right here and FTP's decision here is redicilious.

lol at all the fish crying their eyes out when it's obvious that it's for selfish reasons, so FTP implements this rule and all the bumhunters get their condoms handed out. This is a king of the hill dynamic like xscwx said and and if fish did get protection this whole economy would fall. It just pisses me off thinking that fish expect they have a right to not study the game, be a complete moron and have the right to bumhunt high stakes... REDICILIOUS. The whole "be the best get the cash" dynamic made this game for what it is. If you can't be the best go work in grocery stores, seriously goshhh... if hunting regs was forbidden there wouldnt be any fish left so suck it up.

So basically

This guy logs onto to play poker, and gets beat by dude 24/7.
He is harassed in chat, and is followed around the tables

a) if he doesnt like it, he should just switch sites
b) if chat is buggin him, then he shouldnt be reading it

c) if dude offers him a way out via payment, what is the problem? He is giving the guy a chance to stay on the site, and be rid of this better player.

tldr; ?

if you dont want to lose, dont play; no one is forcing you

PROPS TO NEMO FOR BEING A BOSS

I'm on FTP s side you just can't act like mafia who do you think you are?

I ****ing love how you sat 75$ 45 mans just to hurt his hourly hahahhaa, those are boring as hell and you prolly take 0.01% of his hourly.

The HUSNG life sounds absolutely horrible, why don't poker sites add a reject or accept player feature to their clients? I mean so that when you sit in a lobby and are waiting for an opponent, when one joins you can either accept the match or reject the match.

lol @ all the $5 rakeback pros chiming in, this thread has become an endless rant

Then bad players can play higher and take the fish from the better players.

Kind of like hu cash.

You'll have a bunch of $50 regs sitting $500+ and just hitting "reject" 95% of the time somebody sits and taking a fish out of the player pool otherwise.

Basically, you build way too much protection for players in this system and the economy quickly crumbles.

It would be one of the worst things the sites did I think, since not addressing hu cash action for the last 6+ month it has been a major issue. Building non sustainable structures is bad for both players and the sites.

But I can see how, just like hu cash, once you introduce this protection into the system, it'll be a bitch to take it away. The people that utilize it most will all come out in numbers freaking out (and in all fairness it is in their self interest to do so, though ultimately it's bad for most players and the sites) and it will be very difficult to get anything accomplished.

Yeah, because when the Mafia asks money for protection they say something like: "Pay us or we'll keep coming back telling you to pay us and that's it. Have a nice day."

He asked for money or he keeps doing the same thing he has (had) the right to keep doing.

Humm, I fail do see where NID did something remotely illegal.

If he hadn't ask for money/the other guy said no, things wouldn't be any different. No cause and effect.

People comparing this to the Mafia's MO are ******s.

I'm honestly just in shock that this happens on a regular basis - the payment between players I mean.

My first thought on reading this was "man, Nemo is a jerk." After learning that everyone does this, I guess I just have two thoughts. The first is that this decision is terrible, and the second is that wow there are a lot of poker players who are jerks.

The only people it would be bad for is the good regs, but they're not going anywhere. How does this cause the economy to crumble?